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These higher end processors and prices are becoming the province of enthusiasts only, Intels market is shrinking every day with the Ryzen price v performance.
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Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017
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Well clocks have gone up maybe 10% since Sandy Bridge, so IPC has actually improved moreso.
Looking at the latest Intel roadmap, non of the 'non-enthusiast' CPU's are being launched until Q1' 18, and the same for the low tier chipsets, but the Z390 is scheduled for H2' 18 (possibly still on 1151). So they have only brought forward a few SKU's rather than the whole Coffeelake range, so by the time they are out AMD will also have their APU's, leading to a head-on war with OEM's without discrete graphics. 
Hmmm well I just had a quick look at 2600k vs 7700k (not sure how representative this is overall but I don't have time to check everything
) and base clocks gone from 3.4GHz to 4.2GHz >>> 24% increaseThis article seems to suggest 7700k beats 2600k by about 24% in Cinebench and 26% in Handbrake at the same clocks, so maybe IPC and clocks have both improved at roughly the same rate?
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/13/kaby_lake_7700k_vs_sandy_bridge_2600k_ipc_review/3
Sorry I thought you meant typical overclocks, not stock clocks. Stock clocks have certainly gone up due to the power savings brought by smaller process nodes. One can expect a ~10% higher overclock with Kaby Lake (2017) compared to Westmere (2010) or Sandy Bridge (2011) but then you'll also have to spend a lot more on cooling and/or delidding to get there so...Hmmm well I just had a quick look at 2600k vs 7700k (not sure how representative this is overall but I don't have time to check everything
This article seems to suggest 7700k beats 2600k by about 24% in Cinebench and 26% in Handbrake at the same clocks, so maybe IPC and clocks have both improved at roughly the same rate?
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/13/kaby_lake_7700k_vs_sandy_bridge_2600k_ipc_review/3
The average depending on the application or game from Q1 '11 until Q3 '17 is 10-25% on a clock for clock basis (including new CPU capabilities), and I've a feeling the 8-series leading into 2018 is not going to add to that difference much, if at all using the same core counts, and clock speeds. It could be that until Q3 '18, or Q1' 19 Intel will have not moved forward a great deal from Haswell, and a 7-8 year old CPU will still be giving decent performance in comparison also. Once the 10nm shrink is out of the way, and they move to a new architecture will there possibly be significant gains with IPC, which is early '19 at best.
Yeah you are right about the speeds at max overclocks, although I'd suspect that this is only like 1% of the entire PC market so the vast majority of people are seeing big clockspeed increases compared to 2011.
When you apply rising ram prices to a ryzen cpu to reduce the latency. Is it really still value for money? ;P
Looking at the latest Intel roadmap, non of the 'non-enthusiast' CPU's are being launched until Q1' 18, and the same for the low tier chipsets, but the Z390 is scheduled for H2' 18 (possibly still on 1151). So they have only brought forward a few SKU's rather than the whole Coffeelake range, so by the time they are out AMD will also have their APU's, leading to a head-on war with OEM's without discrete graphics.
If the rumours are correct Z390 seems isn't compatible with coffee lake. Is the 10nm CPU chipset, and compatible with IceLake, CannonLake and TigerLake only.
Z370 is basically Z170/Z270 with few tweaks. Z390 new stuff.
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But you'd be buying the same ram to allow Intel to perform, so...............
Is intels cpus effected by ram speed ? Not to metion hynix will go upto 4000mhz so cheap ram has no problem overclocking. Think there both good value for money when rams taken into account.
X299 is due to the mesh interconnect, the mainstream Intel platforms are not impacted in the same way due to the ring bus architecture not being tied to RAM speed.
Yup, Thus why intel is more ram friendly!
The sweet spot seems to be 3200 MHz, which provides a solid improvement versus the lower-end stuff, but is only slightly more expensive (if at all). So you don't really save much (maybe £20) by going with lower-end RAM for the Z370 platform. If you're talking about going for 4000 MHz RAM then yes, you're paying a big premium, but I don't think anyone would advocate that for AMD or Intel unless you need it for a specific application.
You know when you post things you should probably check out what you are talking about. The biggest gains on the AM4 platform are going from the stock 2133/2400MHz to 3000/3200MHz, ansd the cost difference of buying 3000 vs 2400, as of today actually -£5 to buy the slower RAM, yes that's right 2400MHz cost more. Going to 3200 costs £20, offset that against the cost difference of the CPU, and a more expensive chipset motherboard, and AM4 platform cannot be touched in performance per pound spent.
Also, yes the Intel is effected by RAM speed, not that it makes any difference, since I already pointed out that the cost increase doesn't exist.
Well, I'm in for a 8700 if it clocks as effortlessly well as my current 7800 (4.8 GHz with ease all day long no matter what I do) 5GHz would be better though, but 2 more cores, maybe not? I'm no expert.
Can use 2 more cores though for what I do (for me 6 core would be the sweet spot assuming the clock speed is high enough too) and happy to do this seemingly minor upgrade so long as the speed is near what I need and want ... but conversely its wants not needs here luxury wise, the 7800 then becomes my second PC and I sell on some still very nice 6800 bit to help recoup costs too.
Not worried about the need for a new motherboard for the 8700, like to buy a new CPU with new motherboard where possible too, always have done, can see where folk are coming from, but I like all fresh new parts with fresh new warranty's (for peace of mind) and fresh new tech for each upgrade when possible, no snipe, just my take on it all.
Can use 2 more cores though for what I do (for me 6 core would be the sweet spot assuming the clock speed is high enough too) and happy to do this seemingly minor upgrade so long as the speed is near what I need and want ... but conversely its wants not needs here luxury wise, the 7800 then becomes my second PC and I sell on some still very nice 6800 bit to help recoup costs too.
Not worried about the need for a new motherboard for the 8700, like to buy a new CPU with new motherboard where possible too, always have done, can see where folk are coming from, but I like all fresh new parts with fresh new warranty's (for peace of mind) and fresh new tech for each upgrade when possible, no snipe, just my take on it all.
LOL. I hear what you are saying, jigger, IMHO Intel are lazy, or like to drip feed, no doubt and I'm glad they are kick int Intel up the proverbial to jog them along a bit more, they had it too good for too long.
What I meant was more fresh new tech for Motherboards, MSI, Abit ETC whom feed of Intel ... because that's part of the upgrade fun too for most enthusiasts, also old motherboards experience wear and tear too, who really wants to stick a new gen CPU (no matter its good or bad increase clock speed wise and IPC increase) into an old motherboard that is out of warranty, on its last legs or could develop new problems at any moment, especially from overclockers ... lets face it, motherboards are disposable items these days, just a canvas for new CPU's
To me, sticking a new CPU into a 4 year old socket for longevity of motherboard is false economy, gaps like that you are bound to be losing out on new tech that comes along, not just new tech but upgraded standards like we see with SATA, USB RAM slots and more we might not know about, no thanks ... new CPU means new motherboard for me too.
No dis-respect to those on a budget and need to do this, but I prefer new as long as I can.
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