Intel to launch 6 core Coffee Lake-S CPUs & Z370 chipset 5 October 2017

Boomstick777 · 7 Sep 2017 at 09:36

UK RRP + after tax.

Intel i7 8700K £365.00
Intel i5 8600k £260.00
Intel i3 8350K £180.00

Basically, they have all been bumped up a slot from previous gens, so you don't get any extra bang for your buck.

5820K (6 core, better socket) launched at under £300 in the UK. Now we have mainstream chips costing way more. An i3 occupying i5 price, and i5 priced at i7.

Terrible pricing, but this is only my opinion.

Boomstick777 · 7 Sep 2017 at 09:50

There is one interesting chip though, comes in at circa £185.00. Obviously Intel have locked it down, and you could have got an i5 for this money previous gens. For a low power Intel chip though, this looks ok.

Intel Core i5 8400 2.8 GHz 65W

4.0 GHz, Single core Turbo
3.9 GHz, Dual and Quad Turbo

3.8 GHz, Hexa Core Turbo

Journey · 7 Sep 2017 at 09:50

Boomstick777 said:
UK RRP + after tax.

Intel i7 8700K £365.00
Intel i5 8600k £260.00
Intel i3 8350K £180.00

Basically, they have all been bumped up a slot from previous gens, so you don't get any extra bang for your buck.

5820K (6 core, better socket) launched at under £300 in the UK. Now we have mainstream chips costing way more. An i3 occupying i5 price, and i5 priced at i7.

Terrible pricing, but this is only my opinion.

The increase since last Gen is about £15 for the i7, and £10 for the i5, does anyone care about the i3, since no one bought the i3 7350K as it was stupid. Effectively however the 8350K is just a rebrandedi5 7600K, for less money.

DragonQ · 7 Sep 2017 at 09:55

Journey said:
Since the 2600K, the price to the 7700K has gone up from $317 to $350, it's probably keeping up with inflation, or slightly lower. As for the i5 the 2500K was $216, with the 7600K being $243, so a bigger % jump than the i7. As for the i3, yes that has gone up a lot all the way from $117 for the i3 2100, to the earth shattering $117 for the i3 7100

Great, so for the same cash we can get stuff that is slightly better than we could get 6 years ago. Talk about driving technology forwards, thanks Intel!

Boomstick777 said:
UK RRP + after tax.

Intel i7 8700K £365.00
Intel i5 8600k £260.00
Intel i3 8350K £180.00

Basically, they have all been bumped up a slot from previous gens, so you don't get any extra bang for your buck.

5820K (6 core, better socket) launched at under £300 in the UK. Now we have mainstream chips costing way more. An i3 occupying i5 price, and i5 priced at i7.

Terrible pricing, but this is only my opinion.

Source on this? To be fair, the GBP/USD exchange rate was much better when the i7-5820K launched, it wasn't great value because Intel were being generous. Those chips were a real bargain though in retrospect, given what has come out since.

Boomstick777 said:
There is one interesting chip though, comes in at circa £185.00. Obviously Intel have locked it down, and you could have got an i5 for this money previous gens. For a low power Intel chip though, this looks ok.

Intel Core i5 8400 2.8 GHz 65W

4.0 GHz, Single core Turbo
3.9 GHz, Dual and Quad Turbo

3.8 GHz, Hexa Core Turbo

Again, source? If true, that Core i5-8400 is basically the same price as the R5 1600 and has similar speeds assuming the R5 1600 is overclocked. It lacks SMT though so whether it's worth having depends how much advantage it has in single-threaded IPC.

Boomstick777 · 7 Sep 2017 at 09:56

Yeah I hoped after being embarrassed by Ryzen, Intel might offer there long suffering fans a price VS performance bump. Sadly what we have here is more of the same, mediocre performance improvements and more price hiking.

I hope AMD keep bringing it to them, eventually Intel might offer some competitive pricing. Or at least a real jump in performance.

I mean if your happy with the status quo then it's all good I guess.

sadbuttrue · 7 Sep 2017 at 10:03

Not sure why people keep going on about pricing. An entire gaming system is in the £1500 region. A few quid either side makes little difference.

With the need to add more cores it seems Intels single threaded performance has now stagnated. This is good news for AMD as Ryzen 2/3 could finally catch up.

Journey · 7 Sep 2017 at 10:11

sadbuttrue said:
Not sure why people keep going on about pricing. An entire gaming system is in the £1500 region. A few quid either side makes little difference.

Is it? That's like saying a Car is £40k, why worry about £2-3k on options. The % difference increase is huge on lower budget systems, and the % loss/gains in performance is tiny in some cases.

chroniclard · 7 Sep 2017 at 10:12

While Ryzen are great Intel are still top dog for gaming, they will milk it as long as they can. Plus many many people will still just go for Intel over AMD regardless.

DragonQ · 7 Sep 2017 at 10:15

sadbuttrue said:
Not sure why people keep going on about pricing. An entire gaming system is in the £1500 region. A few quid either side makes little difference.

Higher-end gaming, sure. Most gamers don't have £1500 systems. A ~£200 RX 480/GTX 1060 + ~£200 R5 1600 would do most people just fine (if GPUs were actually available to buy these days).

sadbuttrue said:
With the need to add more cores it seems Intels single threaded performance has now stagnated. This is good news for AMD as Ryzen 2/3 could finally catch up.

Now stagnated? They've barely moved since Haswell, which was released four years ago.

Matkinson · 7 Sep 2017 at 15:36

DragonQ said:
Higher-end gaming, sure. Most gamers don't have £1500 systems. A ~£200 RX 480/GTX 1060 + ~£200 R5 1600 would do most people just fine (if GPUs were actually available to buy these days).

Now stagnated? They've barely moved since Haswell, which was released four years ago.

Barely moved since Sandy Bridge IMO...

chanjy · 7 Sep 2017 at 16:32

Very true. Clocks have gone up a lot, IPC not done much since Sandy.

At least we are getting more cores with Coffee Lake though, not sure why people are complaining quite so much. After years of 4 core this is progress of sorts!!

Journey · 7 Sep 2017 at 16:43

Well Intel only have another year to milk these prices, at least the enthusiast K series chips anyhow. Ryzen MkII will be out by then with increased IPC, and more MHz headroom, I'd imagine they'll be within 1-2% of Intel at most, but obviously half the cost, and with a socket with 2 more years of life in it.

Doobedoo · 7 Sep 2017 at 17:20

I really hope Amd keep to their pricing structure with zen 2, they will have my money for sure if they are even more competitive but still cheaper.

I'm rather looking forward to a nice upgrade. I might even have 2 systems and use the i5 as a underclocked, low power, low noise front room media player.

chanjy · 8 Sep 2017 at 07:05

Journey said:
Well Intel only have another year to milk these prices, at least the enthusiast K series chips anyhow. Ryzen MkII will be out by then with increased IPC, and more MHz headroom, I'd imagine they'll be within 1-2% of Intel at most, but obviously half the cost, and with a socket with 2 more years of life in it.

Bee let down by AMD too many times to make assumptions like that lol

Journey · 8 Sep 2017 at 07:40

chanjy said:
Bee let down by AMD too many times to make assumptions like that lol

It's hardly an assumption, it's a well educated prediction based on what we have now, and the path forward with improved design and process reduction.

DarrenM343 · 8 Sep 2017 at 08:44

£365? Bargain! 50% better than the 6700k?

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Cant compare with the 5820 really as onboard graphics on the 8700k, what's that worth? Pity most of us wont make use of it so wasted but some will.
Personally would rather go x299 or x399

gavinh87 · 8 Sep 2017 at 08:46

DarrenM343 said:
£365? Bargain! 50% better than the 6700k? .
Cant compare with the 5820 really as onboard graphics on the 8700k, what's that worth? Pity most of us wont make use of it so wasted but some will.
Personally would rather go x299 or x399

Why? For gaming both will be slower unless you get the 7900x which costs a fair bit more.

DarrenM343 · 8 Sep 2017 at 08:55

gavinh87 said:
Why? For gaming both will be slower unless you get the 7900x which costs a fair bit more.

My personal use isn't just gaming and who games still at 1080p anyway ?(over that there's less of a difference ). I quite like the though of a high clocked 10 core as a good allrounder. 8 packs 7900 4.8Ghz bundle looks superb, pity I only upgraded last Nov

gavinh87 · 8 Sep 2017 at 09:00

DarrenM343 said:
My personal use isn't just gaming and who games still at 1080p anyway ?(over that there's less of a difference ). I quite like the though of a high clocked 10 core as a good allrounder. 8 packs 7900 4.8Ghz bundle looks superb, pity I only upgraded last Nov

Ah i assumed from the 6700k comment that is what you had. Plenty of people game at 1080p, well at higher refresh rates anyway and this is where the 8700k will beat the others.
The 7900 is nice but a bit too hot and pricey for my needs.

DarrenM343 · 8 Sep 2017 at 09:05

gavinh87 said:
Ah i assumed from the 6700k comment that is what you had. Plenty of people game at 1080p, well at higher refresh rates anyway and this is where the 8700k will beat the others.
The 7900 is nice but a bit too hot and pricey for my needs.

Oh I do, sorry, yes, 6700K, but could do with more cores for the work I do.