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Intel to possibly announce even more impressive chip than 7980XE at Computex

Chuk_Chuk said:
Considering that such a demo would be aimed at consumers rather than business, has these security flaws actually put consumers off buying intel, because it doesn't seem like that when I look around.
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If you're building a console and just gaming then it's not much of a problem. The problem is a lot of people bank online and use systems for work. In the case of this chip I doubt anyone would be considering buying one for gaming.

Destination said:
inded this cut down xeon will still have the basic flaws present won't it?
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Yeah and full extent of the problem hasn't been revealed. Intel have a bit of a time bomb on their hands.
 
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Can somebody clarify a thing for me please because I can't hit up any video sites at work.

Did they or did they not say this was Cascade Lake? Or was that something else the "press" added into their works of fiction? Because everybody who didn't take this demo at face value are all saying "cut down Xeon" and "unlocked Platinum 8180" just because it has 28 cores.

Doesn't matter in the long run, it's just bugging me :p
 
LePhuronn said:
Can somebody clarify a thing for me please because I can't hit up any video sites at work.

Did they or did they not say this was Cascade Lake? Or was that something else the "press" added into their works of fiction? Because everybody who didn't take this demo at face value are all saying "cut down Xeon" and "unlocked Platinum 8180" just because it has 28 cores.

Doesn't matter in the long run, it's just bugging me :p
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They said it was their new 28 core HEDT running at 5Ghz which would be launched in Q4, they didn't specifically say it was Cascade Lake or that it would be launch running at 5Ghz, they just said it was a new chip running at 5Ghz.
In fact one of them actually said "This gives you 5Ghz, what's great about that is you can get that from single threaded performance but with this you do not need to sacrifice that in multi-threaded performance"

Now, Intel say they simply forgot to say that it was overclocked, clearly not as clearly they were pushing it as an all core 5Ghz product, its not, not by a very long way, they didn't lie, exactly, but as good as, its incredibly misleading, and deliberately so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21hNs9GKR5c&t=57m20s
 
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humbug said:
They said it was their new 28 core HEDT running at 5Ghz which would be launched in Q4, they didn't specifically say it was Cascade Lake or that it would be launch running at 5Ghz, they just said it was a new chip running at 5Ghz.
In fact one of them actually said "This gives you 5Ghz, what's great about that is you can get that from single threaded performance but with this you do not need to sacrifice that in multi-threaded performance"

Now, Intel say they simply forgot to say that it was overclocked, clearly not as clearly they were pushing it as an all core 5Ghz product, its not, not by a very long way, they didn't lie, exactly, but as good as, its incredibly misleading, and deliberately so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21hNs9GKR5c&t=57m20s
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Deceptive marketing, its a real thing and big business love using it, they hire psychologists to learn how to manipulate you, yes their marketing men think you as the general populous are stupid.
 
passifid said:
It absolutely will at -10 degrees
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Skylake-X even with less cores pulls far more power than overclocked Threadripper 1, Skylake-X has a bad runaway power issue when overclocked, and yet nothing out of the ordinary high end cooling can still tame them.

Threadripper 2 has a good chance of 4.2Ghz on a custom loop, comfortably.
 
passifid said:
It absolutely will at -10 degrees
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You do forget that the Intel chip is a monolith of a single core. Very difficult to cool down.

While the TR CPUs are 4 separate chips with a pretty big plate over them. It wont be that difficult to cool than 4 2700X. And given that AMD already states that is an aircooled CPU, 4.2Ghz with a descent 360-480mm thick rad is possible.

On the contrary the Intel chip needs an illegal to purchase chiller (The HC1000A model can be bought in UK but is grey area and cannot be serviced, need to find if replacement gas to R600 will work with it), let alone you will have 2770W of heater in the room before GPU and yourself....
To put in perspective is similar to running this at full blast while your PC is ON (GPU heat isn't included)

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In winter months the room will be absolutely hell after an hour. And in the summer months just a sweating room which will give you heat stroke.
 
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jigger said:
I'd like to know what Intel has/had planned for the successor to this chip.
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That will likely require 2 things 1) 10nm on it's feet 2) EMIB that's comparable to infinity fabric.
I'm not sure about number 2 but number 1 isn't ready yet and may not be for a while.
 
jigger said:
I'd like to know what Intel has/had planned for the successor to this chip.
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I would guess that at the moment the plans they had have been dumped. For 2 reasons, 1st because they have been shown in public to be a bunch of idiots and 2nd because until all the security issues that most Intel parts have are solved the share of the market they have will only shrink.
 
Burr said:
2) EMIB that's comparable to infinity fabric.
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Worst comes to worst they could go back to moving the NB onto the motherboard chipset again and having the cores communicate that way :s the latency potentially is no worse than the CCX latency seen in TR/EPYC.

Intel have years and years of R&D on this both multi-socket systems and multi-chip modules so shouldn't be a problem for them though. 10nm seems a bigger hurdle for them.
 
Rroff said:
Worst comes to worst they could go back to moving the NB onto the motherboard chipset again and having the cores communicate that way :s the latency potentially is no worse than the CCX latency seen in TR/EPYC.

Intel have years and years of R&D on this both multi-socket systems and multi-chip modules so shouldn't be a problem for them though. 10nm seems a bigger hurdle for them.
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The worst has come and gone. And come back again with all his mates.
 
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Rroff said:
Worst comes to worst they could go back to moving the NB onto the motherboard chipset again and having the cores communicate that way :s the latency potentially is no worse than the CCX latency seen in TR/EPYC.

Intel have years and years of R&D on this both multi-socket systems and multi-chip modules so shouldn't be a problem for them though. 10nm seems a bigger hurdle for them.
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NB? You mean the memory controller? I have no idea how that would work out (honestly) but they'll need some sort of interconnect.
 
Burr said:
NB? You mean the memory controller? I have no idea how that would work out (honestly) but they'll need some sort of interconnect.
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Intel cant go back to the traditional Northbridge it would be silly. Intel just have to ride this tiger off the cliff.
 
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