Intel to possibly announce even more impressive chip than 7980XE at Computex

jigger · 8 Jun 2018 at 21:46

sideways14a said:
Next up, Intel try's to cool a star to room temperature using nothing more than a car radiator fan and some duct tape.

Lol. Dyson sphere lake.

humbug · 8 Jun 2018 at 22:19

Rroff said:
Worst comes to worst they could go back to moving the NB onto the motherboard chipset again and having the cores communicate that way :s the latency potentially is no worse than the CCX latency seen in TR/EPYC.

Intel have years and years of R&D on this both multi-socket systems and multi-chip modules so shouldn't be a problem for them though. 10nm seems a bigger hurdle for them.

lol, i think this is a joke

Disco_P · 8 Jun 2018 at 22:24

humbug · 8 Jun 2018 at 22:37

Disco_P said:

Classic

iakhtar · 8 Jun 2018 at 23:12

That one never gets old lol

Panos · 8 Jun 2018 at 23:27

jigger said:
I'd like to know what Intel has/had planned for the successor to this chip.

As @sideways14a said, probably next CPU will be on the moon getting chilled while the presentation occurs on earth promoting not only a cutting edge CPU but remote access to it also....

4K8KW10 · 8 Jun 2018 at 23:49

There is something about the cross-licensing agreement between AMD and Intel that we DON'T know. Hence, AMD doesn't truly compete, even when they have the technically superior lineup.
"Supporting Intel no matter how bad or good their products are" is something extremely serious and many people blindly are ready for everything just to support the status quo.
This, of course, is not fair, because the current sizes of Intel and AMD don't represent their historical technical achievements.

Panos · 9 Jun 2018 at 01:20

If you start laughing at the exuberance of this motherboard, then you are on the right path.
Is designed to run 2 PSUs, because a single 2000W Superflower will not be enough when try to run AVX benchmarks!!!!

And also the VRM heatsink seems is capable of cooling a GPU!!!! :eek:

humbug · 9 Jun 2018 at 02:48

4K8KW10 · 9 Jun 2018 at 09:25

Reality vs Fantasy?! :confused:

I see all the fun (trolling) goes against Intel. People make laugh on the results which show that in theory the Intel chips achieve a lot (5GHz on 28 cores and extreme high CB score never reached by AMD), but in practice the Intel people, shills, fans and trolls will make sure that Intel will still sell more processors in the end of the day.

So, the fantasy is to get AMD some more sales, while the reality is AMD processors will not sell as they should.

Panos · 9 Jun 2018 at 10:01

4K8KW10 said:
Reality vs Fantasy?!

I see all the fun (trolling) goes against Intel. People make laugh on the results which show that in theory the Intel chips achieve a lot (5GHz on 28 cores and extreme high CB score never reached by AMD), but in practice the Intel people, shills, fans and trolls will make sure that Intel will still sell more processors in the end of the day.

So, the fantasy is to get AMD some more sales, while the reality is AMD processors will not sell as they should.

I believe is the second time you write this, so I guess you are the one trolling.

Intel has no 28 core CPU to be used on consumer systems hence is fantasy. What they showed was a cannibalized $10,000 Xeon, which was extremely binned, put a chiller on it which cannot be purchased legally, used a motherboard with new socket, that requires 2 2000W PSU to be fully utilised, and doesn't fit in 99.99% of the cases in the market.
And you believe it will sell more than the 32 core TR2 which can be used on existing X399 boards and systems with a air heatsink, at reasonable price while probably will be beating the intel monstrosity with some watercooling and an easy overclock?

4K8KW10 · 9 Jun 2018 at 10:16

Panos said:
I believe is the second time you write this

Then, your belief is wrong

Link to the first time?

AMD has no 32 core CPU either, hence it is fantasy, too.
But I am not saying that the first thing is Q3 and the other is Q4. I am saying that you make unreal parallels between this overclock result and the retail CPUs which will hit the shelves by the end of the year.

Threadripper will be 32-core at 250W, while this i9 will be 28-core at 200ishW.

Also, I was speaking about the overall, total sales, not about the particular segment.
Just don't tell me that gaming is all that matters. Because it doesn't and I don't game at all

Panos · 9 Jun 2018 at 11:41

4K8KW10 said:
Then, your belief is wrong Link to the first time?

AMD has no 32 core CPU either, hence it is fantasy, too.
But I am not saying that the first thing is Q3 and the other is Q4. I am saying that you make unreal parallels between this overclock result and the retail CPUs which will hit the shelves by the end of the year.

Threadripper will be 32-core at 250W, while this i9 will be 28-core at 200ishW.

Also, I was speaking about the overall, total sales, not about the particular segment.
Just don't tell me that gaming is all that matters. Because it doesn't and I don't game at all

32 core EPYC 7601 exists a year now and at stock speeds (3.2ghz boost) with 180W TDP part using the old 14nm process. New TR2 uses 12nm process and already presented the real chip to the media at Computex.

But you seem to brush under the carpet anything against Intel, even the detailed technical video above relating to the motherboard and cooling used for their presentation and how impossible is to have such CPU at those speeds in the HEDT platform.

jigger · 9 Jun 2018 at 11:47

4K8KW10 said:
Reality vs Fantasy?!

I see all the fun (trolling) goes against Intel. People make laugh on the results which show that in theory the Intel chips achieve a lot (5GHz on 28 cores and extreme high CB score never reached by AMD), but in practice the Intel people, shills, fans and trolls will make sure that Intel will still sell more processors in the end of the day.

So, the fantasy is to get AMD some more sales, while the reality is AMD processors will not sell as they should.

Depends on the markets. I know a lot of big, medium and even smaller firms that are dumping Intel systems literally by the wagon load and installing AMD. My firm is almost all AMD now.

humbug · 9 Jun 2018 at 12:10

4K8KW10 said:
Reality vs Fantasy?!

I see all the fun (trolling) goes against Intel. People make laugh on the results which show that in theory the Intel chips achieve a lot (5GHz on 28 cores and extreme high CB score never reached by AMD), but in practice the Intel people, shills, fans and trolls will make sure that Intel will still sell more processors in the end of the day.

So, the fantasy is to get AMD some more sales, while the reality is AMD processors will not sell as they should.

The 1950X is consistently outselling all the high end i9's, right now the 1950X is 17'th on Rainforest UK, the 7980XE didn't even make it into the top 100, the first i9 is 34'th, on Rainforset US the 1950X is 26'th, the first i9 43'rd, the 7980XE again not even in the top 100.

AMD are selling more HEDT CPU's than Intel.

UK:

US

Hotwired · 9 Jun 2018 at 12:36

Dunno where it is now but it was being said by an AMD representative that the 16 core is considerably more popular than the lesser TR options. The people buying are happy to pay for the biggest stack of cores available to consumers.

Must be all AMD needed to see to decide to stuff the other 16 cores in there also. If cores more cores mean more sales then more cores it is!

humbug · 9 Jun 2018 at 12:43

Hotwired said:
Dunno where it is now but it was being said by an AMD representative that the 16 core is considerably more popular than the lesser TR options. The people buying are happy to pay for the biggest stack of cores available to consumers.

Must be all AMD needed to see to decide to stuff the other 16 cores in there also. If cores more cores mean more sales then more cores it is!

UK the 1900X is 48, the 1920X 76.
US the 1920X is 51, the 1900X 88.

So yes, but no worse than Intel's i9's, at least all of AMD's HEDT's made it into the top 100, the 7940X, 7960X and 7980XE are all missing from that list.

AMD have a real success in Threadripper and they know it, what they are doing is doubling down on that success with the 24 and 32 core CPU's.

Edit sorry the 7980XE is 87 on the US one.

Hotwired · 9 Jun 2018 at 12:50

Makes me wonder how they will enforce distinction between TR and Epyc when they are happy to stack cores on the consumer part.

Intel was denying core count for consumers but since AMD is chucking that rule out of the window the division is likely to be more subtle in future. Maybe it will be more like graphics cards where you can have an almost identical card with a vastly higher price and vastly better support for professionals.

humbug · 9 Jun 2018 at 13:05

Hotwired said:
Makes me wonder how they will enforce distinction between TR and Epyc when they are happy to stack cores on the consumer part.

Intel was denying core count for consumers but since AMD is chucking that rule out of the window the division is likely to be more subtle in future. Maybe it will be more like graphics cards where you can have an almost identical card with a vastly higher price and vastly better support for professionals.

Well the problem for Intel is they rely on monolithic dies, you can only make them a certain size and 28 cores on 14nm seems to be the limit, that CPU is 700mm2^, its vast and with that because of yields very expensive to make, you might get 2 or 3 such CPU's out of one $10,000 wafer.

AMD with Infinity Fabric get much higher yields with much higher core count CPU's because its a bunch of little ones 'glued together'.
With that said its not that AMD are cannibalising EPYC with Threadripper 2, EPYC 2 will have 48 and 64 cores.

the wopster · 9 Jun 2018 at 13:47

4K8KW10 said:
Then, your belief is wrong Link to the first time?

AMD has no 32 core CPU either, hence it is fantasy, too.
But I am not saying that the first thing is Q3 and the other is Q4. I am saying that you make unreal parallels between this overclock result and the retail CPUs which will hit the shelves by the end of the year.

Threadripper will be 32-core at 250W, while this i9 will be 28-core at 200ishW.

Also, I was speaking about the overall, total sales, not about the particular segment.
Just don't tell me that gaming is all that matters. Because it doesn't and I don't game at all

You missed a 0 from the intel chip it will more likely be 2000ishW