Interlagos - Brazilian Grand Prix 2009 - Race 16/17

[Overlag]

why cant drivers race in the wet anymore?

Why are people here unable to grasp the simple concept that he only has the most wins and points because of the advantage he had at the start of the season with the best car ?

why cant you grasp the simple concept that we know this, but this is pretty much how *ALL* championships are won. In the best car. Unless the driver is named Senna or Schumacher.

 

[arknor]

Barichello has usually been the team mate the sets the car up though. You can't tell me he's not witholding set up info from his team mate. Would make it so much more difficult if you have a crap setup. Regradless of how good the car is.

im sure you wouldnt want to share and every driver in formula one should be skilled enough to tweak the car and find a good setup anyway, pretty much all the greats had good knowledge of setting up a car

if jenson is #1 in a team he cant expect the number 2 driver to be giving him setups all the time (yea i know they are both equal aparently)

if jenson ever has a newbiw team mate i guess we can expect him to be a badoer

 

[Flibster]

Another reprimand for blocking? Trulli this time.

I thought they had finally settled on a consistant punishment for blocking. A 5 place grid drop, or a 3 place grid drop, or a reprimand...

Oh...hang on...

 

[Flibster]

Weights.

Lewis Hamilton 661.0
Heikki Kovalainen 656.5
Giancarlo Fisichella 683.5
Kimi Räikkönen 651.5
Robert Kubica 656.0
Nick Heidfeld 650.5
Fernando Alonso 652.0
Romain Grosjean 677.2
Jarno Trulli 658.5
Kamui Kobayashi 671.6
Jaime Alguersuari 671.5
Sébastien Buemi 659.0
Mark Webber 656.0
Sebastian Vettel 683.5
Nico Rosberg 657.0
Kazuki Nakajima 664.0
Adrian Sutil 656.5
Vitantonio Liuzzi 680.0
Jenson Button 672.0
Rubens Barrichello 650.5

Aaaand in grid order.

 1.  Barrichello	650.5                  
 2.  Webber		656.0                  
 3.  Sutil		656.5                  
 4.  Trulli		658.5                  
 5.  Raikkonen		651.5                  
 6.  Buemi		659.0                  
 7.  Rosberg		657.0                  
 8.  Kubica		656.0                  
 9.  Nakajima		664.0                  
10.  Alonso		652.0                  
11.  Kobayashi		671.5                 
12.  Alguersuari	671.5                 
13.  Grosjean		677.2                 
14.  Button		672.0                 
15.  Liuzzi		680.0                 
16.  Vettel		683.5                 
17.  Kovalainen		656.5                 
18.  Hamilton		661.0                 
19.  Heidfeld		650.5                 
20.  Fisichella		683.5

 

[Type_R]

Excellent stuff from Rubino

Once again Kimi drags that age old Ferrari to way beyond where it deserves to be, hope he sticks around for 2010, glimpses of old Kimi driving coming back!

 

[Lopéz]

Why are people here unable to grasp the simple concept that he only has the most wins and points because of the advantage he had at the start of the season with the best car ?

Why are you unable to grasp the simple concept that he capitalised on the Brawn advantage when Barrichello failed to do so?

Rubens very light up there in the top 10!

 

[Lopéz]

Once again Kimi drags that age old Ferrari to way beyond where it deserves to be

Age old? It's no older than the other cars

 

[Flibster]

Rubens very light up there in the top 10!

Lighter than I was expecting, but none of the top 10 are particularly surprising, weight wise.

I do feel that McLaren have shafted themselves again with those fuel loads - I can't see the reasoning in it unless they are hoping that KERS will allow them to overtake a lot very rapidly... Unlikely...

Age old? It's no older than the other cars

They stopped active development on it quite a few races ago. What is trickling through now is what was left of the development process.

 

[TaKeN]

Age old? It's no older than the other cars

I'm guessing that he's refering to its Development in the current 2009 season. I seem to recall hearing a few weeks back that Ferarri were no longer working to improve the car.. Hmm

 

[Lopéz]

Aye but it's hardly like they're forging away with an F93A or something is it

 

[Hxc]

Heidfeld gonna try and nip past everyone I'm guessing?

Big loser there is Alonso

 

[Nexus]

I'm going to also say that Button totally deserves to win.

It's easy to say that he had the best car at the start of the season... but so did his biggest championship rival, yet he didn't win all those races!

Brundle had a a commentary on the question of Jenson's worthiness in his current BBC website column. He made one great point that had the FIA's original plans for this season not been rejected at the last minute, and they had changed to a Wins per season system to decide the champion, rather than the current points system.... well Jenson would already be World Champion... so yes he deserves it!

 

[Kol]

:'( Sat down to watch Quali, just, watched right up up until the start of Strictly ... if only Sky was intelligent enough to work out to record the run over on BBC2. Ah well, had to then watch the rest on the page with the result on. Doh! Great quali session, cannot wait for tomorrow!!

 

[Sone]

Brundle had a a commentary on the question of Jenson's worthiness in his current BBC website column. He made one great point that had the FIA's original plans for this season not been rejected at the last minute, and they had changed to a Wins per season system to decide the champion, rather than the current points system.... well Jenson would already be World Champion... so yes he deserves it!

i hate this type of BS, strategy would have been completely different if it had been the wins per season system. People would have taken risks instead of just sitting behind getting 8/6 points etc.

 

[dannyjo22]

Well Hamilton and Massa scored points totals of high 90's last season with one more race.

Button sits on 85 with 2 races to run and a race less than last year I think. So hardly a disaster but he should have had it wrapped up. First titles usually go this way.

As I've said before Alonso's first title was a case of clinging on and because Kimi drove faster especially towards the end of the season but had less luck many said Kimi deserved that title. No one remembers that now though.

I'd much rather Jenson won the title than a guy that flushed away the best years of his career with a no2 contract. A driver that spent the best years on his career happy to move over and then deny having a contract he now tells us he had.

Jenson is about to lose some huge points to Rubens and I'm seriously dissapointed with his form in qfy in the latter half of the year. To be fair though most of the time he has struggled the chasers have dropped the ball and failed to take maximum advantage. So they have failings as well.

If Rubens takes 8 or 10 points out of jenson this weekend Rubens will win the title.

 

[Duke]

I can see what people are saying but I think in seasons past, there hasn't been the issue surrounding the teams "interpitation of the rules" & Braun (plus one or two other teams) basically had a 6-8 race head start over most due to their slightly illegal (but then deemed legal) rear diffuser. I reckon 9/10 the FIA would have ruled in favor of the opposing teams but because of the amount of mud slung on F1 at the time, the last thing they wanted to do was disqualify Button & Co's race wins & so kept the status quo and let it ride (with the other teams then left to play catch up).

I like Button I really do... but if Barichello didn't have such poor luck in 3/4 of the races this season, he would be at least 20 points in front of Button at the minute and as much as I (nearly) & wanted to believe Button has that "World Champion Quality" as he certainly showed it in the first half of the season. Its quallifying sessions like today and a few races gone by previously. he seems to just blames his setup, tyre temps etc. Yet Barichello still does the necessary at the front end of the grid. I know F1 is about a team effort but bottom line for me is that Schumacher, Alonso, Hamillton etc would be wringing the neck of Buttons car (even if they were not 100% happy) yet Button just doesn't seem capable of getting anything at all unless he is 99%-100% happy with the car & thats not world champion material in my opinion.

As devout a Brit / Englishman as I am & would love for Button to win it, he simply isn't good enough & you only have to look at what Hamilton has done with a truely shocking car this season (won 2 races nearly 3/4)...

You do know the whole diffuser thing (which remember two other teams had and that Toyota & Williams were quick at the start of the season before Red Bull began to challenge them oh and then Ferrari and McLaren mid-season onwards but they still have more points....) is only worth 3 tenths of a second? All the teams, from reading the various magazines and things, have found the front wing and floor design to bring much more benefit.

 

[Duke]

Estimated First Pit Stop times

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/10/...os-race-brazilian-grand-prix-fuel-strategies/

 

[PinkFloyd]

Vettel is gonna have a hard race with 2 lighter KERS Mclarens behind him. I think if Button can avoid a crash he will be in 10/11th before his first pitstop, maybe higher depending on how much the lighter cars pitstops bring them down.

Rubens has the race for the taking, although I think Webber will push him hard.

 

[Mr Jack]

Hmm... Rubens is not looking so pretty now those fuel weights are in. He'll be lucky to come out in front after the first pit stop and could drop to third.

Odd fuel weights from those McLarens? I'd have thought they'd run heavy. I wonder whether they're anticipating rain (or sun after rain) around lap 24-25.

 

[philjohn]

:'( Sat down to watch Quali, just, watched right up up until the start of Strictly ... if only Sky was intelligent enough to work out to record the run over on BBC2. Ah well, had to then watch the rest on the page with the result on. Doh! Great quali session, cannot wait for tomorrow!!

you do realise that it would have been on the iPlayer by the time you posted?