Iphone OS 3.0...

Remember with Apple, we are talking about a company who had to pull engineers and developers from Leopard to complete the iPhone on time. Hence Leopards delays.

They might have 25 billion in the bank, but they don't have endless developers it seems.
 
EVH said:
It's also typical Apple.. release now, hold back feature A then release update to product spouting feature A as the muts nuts.
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Durzel said:
I don't buy that it's taken Apple this long to provide the list of features in 3.0 because "that's how long it took" - I believe it was a strategic decision to withhold it til this date.
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I am starting to feel that Apple only really act when they are challenged. A good example of this is the Palm Pre.

It got traction because it was laden with features that many people who used an iPhone actually want/wanted. I truly believe that without the competition Apple would have carried on with their slow-and-steady approach.

This 3.0 update to the OS changes a lot, but would it have had it's own media event so soon, or would it have gone on to be side-show'd at the next iPhone unveiling.. we'll never know.

My point about Apple being new to the game is still valid, but I do accept your view. Yes, they should have done more market research in the "basics" (only has just seen the appearance of call logs in 3.0! shameful!), but they were never going to get it 100% on the first iteration.. I'm glad just glad they are sorting it. As you say, they do have a tendancy to adopt a "we know what's best" mentality, so it could easily have gone unanswered.

I wish they would release more updates to the iPhone software though. It seems like an age between updates, even when nothing is added. I still have the "backspace cursor from hell" bug (press backspace a few times when typing and it will go insane and keep deleting) and it's a fix they could have pushed out long ago given that the last update was 27/01/2009
 
As an avid JB'er I quite like the changes.

The keynote was getting rather dull with the boring demos, until the end bits arrived. However until I can theme my phone I'll most likely JB once it is available as I enjoy customising the bugger.

The biggest win out of that keynote for me was the SDK's additional 1000 api's. God the dev's needed those badly. Lets hope the crapstore actually gets decent apps from now onwards with the SDK.
 
EVH said:
Let's not forget Apple only entered the phone market in June 2007.
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Googles only been in the Market since Oct 2008 - but they at least got basic established features like copy and paste and MMS sorted.

Apple were just arrogant when they entered the market and it seems now they have capitulate on their design ethos...

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can you please explain how they have given up on their design ethos?

Unless their design ethos is to "not listen to customers or feedback in any way shape or form" I just dont see your point.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Googles only been in the Market since Oct 2008 - but they at least got basic established features like copy and paste and MMS sorted.

Apple were just arrogant when they entered the market and it seems now they have capitulate on their design ethos...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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To be fair the iPhone was the one that kickstarted the smartphone industry.

Not too hard to look at it, spot it's weaknesses and announce a rival product (G1) was it ;)

Not that it matters anymore.. those features are coming..
 
EVH said:
To be fair the iPhone was the one that kickstarted the smartphone industry.

Not too hard to look at it, spot it's weaknesses and announce a rival product (G1) was it ;)

Not that it matters anymore.. those features are coming..
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Conversely Apple just did that when looking at WM/BB/Palms efforts - they didnt do anything new, just packaged it hell of the way better...

The smartphone industry was very healthy before the iPhone was invented, it just made it mainstream...

Am looking forward to pretty much a complete smartphone experience though...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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I think I am goign to upgrade my current contract to the iPhone in April, what do you think will happen if the iphon v3 comes out in say july, will i be able to upgrade if i tie in for a further 18 months like what happened with the 3g?
 
blairw said:
I think I am goign to upgrade my current contract to the iPhone in April, what do you think will happen if the iphon v3 comes out in say july, will i be able to upgrade if i tie in for a further 18 months like what happened with the 3g?
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If you upgrade in April to an iPhone contract - I doubt it.

If you upgrade to a non-iPhone contract - possibly.

I can't see O2 letting you take out a contract on an iPhone 3G and then giving you the option to upgrade 2-3 months later into a 18 month contract.
 
Good to see the rapeage and excuses have started for the V1 users...
All I really wanted was Copy/paste AND MMS then this would be the perfect phone for me, really it would.
The excuse that it's a hardware limitation, or the defense that MMS would be too slow without 3G... You're joking? lol lol lol... *sad face*

Contract renewal is in mid Summer, might have to sell this raft and find a cheap 3G beforehand. :(
 
Durzel said:
If you upgrade in April to an iPhone contract - I doubt it.

If you upgrade to a non-iPhone contract - possibly.

I can't see O2 letting you take out a contract on an iPhone 3G and then giving you the option to upgrade 2-3 months later into a 18 month contract.
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They did that with me last year, got my iphone V1 in May last year upgraded to iPhone V2 in july. My old 18 month contract was superceded by the new one, so instead of having 18 months from May i had 18 months from July.
 
EVH said:
They've done a lot to help developers really create some good apps, so I applaud them for that. I'll have to play around with the SDK some more, but new APIs is always a good thing..
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Ive heard a lot about SDK, and API's, could someone explain what these are? :confused:
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
The excuse that it's a hardware limitation, or the defense that MMS would be too slow without 3G... You're joking? lol lol lol... *sad face*
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It is a hardware limitation. MMS messages aren't sent over 3G or any other form of data connection. They're sent just like an SMS, with the multimedia content encoded into the form of a text message. The original iPhone's radio isn't capable of transmitting these messages. (Jailbroken phones can do it because apps like SwirlyMMS use a hack that sends the message over a data connection. But that's not standard.)
 
Mattus said:
It is a hardware limitation. MMS messages aren't sent over 3G or any other form of data connection. They're sent just like an SMS, with the multimedia content encoded into the form of a text message. The original iPhone's radio isn't capable of transmitting these messages. (Jailbroken phones can do it because apps like SwirlyMMS use a hack that sends the message over a data connection. But that's not standard.)
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not sure this is right on my nokia, when I send an MMS it connects to the 3G data network
 
Mattus said:
It is a hardware limitation.
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No it isn't, it is Apple talking out of their ass.

MMS messages aren't sent over 3G or any other form of data connection.
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This isn't true. Any media message is sent using whatever radio is available - whether it is GSM (GPRS or EDGE) or UTMS (3G).

They're sent just like an SMS, with the multimedia content encoded into the form of a text message.
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Correct, just like multipart e-mail messages.

The original iPhone's radio isn't capable of transmitting these messages.
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Now you are talking out of your ass. Firstly you said (rightly) that MMS messages are just encoded into the same format as SMS messages, and transmitted the same way as SMS are. The iPhone 1 has no SMS length limitation, and it can do this. SMS messages use whatever radio is available - the same radio that carries your voice, data, video - whatever.

(Jailbroken phones can do it because apps like SwirlyMMS use a hack that sends the message over a data connection. But that's not standard.)
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This isn't true, either. SwirlyMMS just does what any other phone does, which is encode multipart multimedia content into a long SMS message.
 
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MrMoonX said:
not sure this is right on my nokia, when I send an MMS it connects to the 3G data network
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You're right. If 3G is available and you have a 3G device, 3G will be used for your SMS, voice, video, data - whatever it may be. Likewise if you jsut have a GSM device, GPRS ('WAP') will be used for your MMS, data and so on.

EVH said:
To be fair the iPhone was the one that kickstarted the smartphone industry.
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Seen as though the iPhone isn't the most popular smartphone by owners, and smartphones have been around for almost a decade, how do you figure?
 
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I liked some of the BSing in the presentation. The guy said something along the lines of being 'truly blown away' by what all the developers had made with the 3.0 preview, then a couple of dudes came on and demonstrated some snooze-fest push-text-IM thing. Ahmagawd :D

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Seeing as though the iPhone isn't the most popular smartphone by owners, and smartphones have been around for almost a decade, how do you figure?
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Because they were all ****.
 
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msmalls74 said:
They did that with me last year, got my iphone V1 in May last year upgraded to iPhone V2 in july. My old 18 month contract was superceded by the new one, so instead of having 18 months from May i had 18 months from July.
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Yeah i worked at o2 at the time they done it. I really hope they do ti again this time, and the iphone v3 offers some marked improvement.
 
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