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barmyllama said:
I might have, I'll have a look.

The guy that did me last night did the same thing. He was right behind out of the final turn, as I moved towards the pit wall for turn one, he moved to my outside and I had to give him room to avoid putting him in the wall. That compromised me for turn one, but I stayed ahead. Then as we were going through turn four, he was behind and as I let the car go to the outside, he moved to my outside. I actually left him more than a cars width on the outside, but he put two wheels on the grass and spun inside and took me out. At that point I went into full on rant mode over the mic.

After the final corner, before the contact, he had three chances to get past me if he'd gone on the inside, because he had a tow three times. Into turn 1, 2 and 4, yet he tried on the outside??? It's just moronic driving in my book and they shouldn't even bother paying their subs, let alone paying for content as well.
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What time race where you in? I remember a guy shouting off yesterday about how noobs should be going back to need for speed. :p
 
haha barmyrant

It sucks being taken out but thats just a the name of the game especially when it comes to sim racing. You just don't have the spacial awareness when racing on a single monitor but of course some people are just dicks.

I would like to say you might be suited to leagues but you get that as well. It's just racing mate you should have seen the real life indycar race yesterday.
 
By T4 are you talking about big bend (gentle right hander before the hard braking into the 90 degree right?), technically that's T6 but it's the only one that seems to make sense based on your description.

I can see why someone might go to the outside there, you get a good run out of T5 and there's no room on the inside, bit like the double right before spoon at Suzuka.

And obviously there's the different perceptions of where the other car is, although you left room if he's running a single monitor (or even triples but isn't used to it/misjudged it) he may have thought he needed to go onto the grass to avoid you if that makes sense.
 
There's turn 1 on pit straight, then the chicane 2&3? After that he's behind and we go through turn 4?5? Leads onto the straight before the hairpin. Anyone that's following makes it really hard for themselves by trying to go around the outside of a car that's naturally going to be closing any gap they think they might have. By the time they get there there's no track left on the outside. Same as him going outside after the last corner onto pit straight. I'm naturally moving over to the right for turn 1, so him trying to go outside into an ever narrowing space is plain stupid in my eyes.

In watched the replay from his cockpit cam. There wasn't any room before he made a move to the outside to begin with. He was already running out of space before he even pulled out. He could have had me much easier into the chicane after turn 1. He could've been along side on the inside and I would have to give him the corner. Very few of us have the skills to pull off some of the overtakes we think are on. And even if you have the skill, the other guy needs to have it as well. Mark Webber on Alonso into Eau Rouge was still an overtake with an element of luck. There are no Alonso's or Webbers in the 2nd split of Skip Barber on a Sunday night.
 
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I'm getting turn numbers/names from here:
http://members.iracing.com/membersite/member/TrackDetail.do?trkid=95&nocache=1428942326924

In the bottom left click to turn on "turn info", and off "image hotspots" to clear it up a bit.

If you've got the run and there's only one, unfavourable, side to go, you either go for it or have to back off and remove any chance of completing the overtake. It's a risk and depends entirely on if you trust the other person and arguably how important it is to get past. As you said yourself you were at a disadvantage into T1 because of his position, that alone can sometimes make the risk worth it.

I've overtaken around the outside of Big Bend before, well technically not fully ahead until the hairpin but far enough ahead to easily get ahead whilst still leaving space on the inside. It's not something I'd do every chance I get but it's a viable option.
 
I'm similarly frustrated this week. Three bad races yesterday, two in the Advanced MX-5 and one in the skippy. Got taken out twice by bad overtakes in the skippy and hit up the bum three times in the MX-5 races, all incurring 4x and lengthy pitstops to fix the MX-5. Safety rating took such a battering I got below 1.0 SR and demoted back to B-class with immediate effect.
 
I'll see if I can sort the replay. I don't think he had he had the skill to make the move, let alone the speed or room. He was car 13 in that split, I was 5 and I wouldn't have tried to go on the outside. As people have said, you have to assume they are on single monitor, and in my book, with mirrors and brain off when attempting overtakes. That's why I said in previous posts that drivers shod have more patience and overtake as cleanly as possible. If it's two more skilled drivers who've been running close for lap after lap then more audacious moves are less risky. But not in the class of drivers I was with last night, including myself. At the end of the day, he got wrecked as well.
 
Don't have the replay, cut it wrong and only have the last 3 seconds, which is my wrecked car on the grass.

Checked the track map and yes it's turn 6.
 
Sorry to hear you're having trouble in the Skippy, I thought that would be clean racing in there as it has quite the cult following.

I have found the opposite of GT3 to you though, I was run off the track on purpose by one guy during an official practice with him telling me I should practice more, even though I was running mid pack! The races are a nightmare too, just asking to bleed irating/safety rating.

I've still had the cleanest and most respectful racing in the Ruf Cup or private leagues

Speaking of which, here is a race from the V8's Development league I'm in.

 
I see where you're coming from barmy but I can also see why people may make a move at both of those points and why he may have felt like he only had the option of going the 'wrong' side (or backing off, which a lot of people won't consider). Also that both of those points are not areas where the car in front is committed to tracking out to the edge of the track and by going the wrong side can bring about passing opportunities later on.
 
Like I said, I can see where you're coming from, but this wasn't a particularly high skilled driver and he shouldn't be trying those sort of moves. He's a 3 star member who's still B licence and has an iRating that's less than 1600 and who races 4 or 5 different series a week. And while I don't consider myself as particularly high level or alien fast, I do consider my overtakes carefully and respect other drivers. That respect goes out of the window when wannabe Mark Webbers ruin my enjoyment, race after race.
 
Fair enough, but unless it's the same person time after time (in which case collect some replays and protest), it's not the end of the world, it may just be his one moment of madness for the week and you just happened to be in the wrong place, wrong time...

And of course, back to my favourite saying, was there anything you could've done to avoid it?
 
RUF Cup is going to be fun this week - Daytona Short. 5 corners on a 38 second lap :eek: One mistake in turn5 and you're a dead man. I was expecting another drop week, but I'm definitely in.

To those complaining about dirty races, try the CSpec in RUF Cup. It's the cleanest racing I've ever been in - leagues included. Of my last 50 or so races I can only think of one occasion where I was taken out by someone else's mistake. WSCS is good too, but you have to learn to have eyes on your mirrors and relative all the time, as well as reading what someone coming up to lap you in an HPD is thinking before they dive for the corner. It's frustrating at times, but never dull and massively helps with your race craft. Participation is well up since the IMSA announcement too.
 
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Fair enough, but unless it's the same person time after time (in which case collect some replays and protest), it's not the end of the world, it may just be his one moment of madness for the week and you just happened to be in the wrong place, wrong time...

And of course, back to my favourite saying, was there anything you could've done to avoid it?
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I could've given him more room, I could've let him by and maybe he'd taken just himself off.

But I do get tired of giving idiotic driving the benefit of an easy pass, because I think it just encourages them more.

And because I'd already passed him cleanly once and I was faster than him. I think if I hadn't had to spend a lap looking in my mirrors watching him duck, weave and dive behind me. I might have pulled away and left him.

But that's not how I felt at the time and on reflection I over reacted over the mic.

Back on the horse we get.
 
Obutto Revolution is now fully assembled. Still needs a bit of tweaking to get the screens exactly where I'd like.

Overall it's an awesome piece of kit. Very stable and well built, the fact that monitor mount is separatel means there's no screen movement. Having the wheel on a proper mount, rather than the desk, means I can feel more through the whe than before. I can only assume that the deal was absorbing some of the finer details. Also having the screens at the correct eye line makes turning in easier and more natural.

I managed to get the cables from all three screens and the three for the wheel, plus an extra HDMI for the Playstation 3, down the centre spine and hide a four and six way plug extension, and an eight port LAN switch under the pedal tray.

Keyboard and mouse tray is sturdy enough, but there is a small amount of bounce when typing. The shifter mount is probably a little on the high side, but I suppose I can always hacksaw some off to lower it.

The seat is comfortable and of a decent quality, but not quite up the build quality of the rest of the frame. But I wasn't expecting to be getting a Recaro race seat, so it's not like I'm disappointed with it.

My only real criticism is the lack front speaker mounts. At the minute the sub woofer is end of the pedal tray with the two front satelites on the sub woofer. I know there's a 5.1 speaker mount system available or almost ready for release, but I don't think I'll be buying it. I could try them on the acrylic table tops, but they're attached to the sides of the wheel deck, so they are prone to some movement and the speakers might not stay upright.

Anybody that's thinking about getting one, or a little unsure then I can heartily recommend it. You won't be disappointed.
 
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Yep, pics needed :p

Did you get it from the EU in the end (obuttu.fr?) if so were you charged any import stuff or was it 'just' the ~699 euros?

I'm extremely tempted but would need either to bodge something for the monitors, or buy 3 new ones, or just wait for the Rift CV1.
 
I'll upload pictures tonight.

Yes bought from EU site, not the French site. The actual distributor is based in Portugal.

No import duties or anything.

But the distributor only accepts PayPal or bank transfer. So really PayPal is the only option, which makes it slightly more expensive than using a credit card that has no fees and a fair exchange rate. I estimated that with a Halifax Clarity card it should've cost £680 for the Obutto Revolution, triple screen arms and table tops, delivered. Being basically forced to use PayPal meant it cost £730. But that's still the same or a touch cheaper than the UK distributor was charging for the same with free delivery.

I did add a few to Flickr

by barmyllama, on Flickr

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