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Is Lewis Hamilton the GOAT (this thread is about Lewis as an F1 driver, not anything else)?
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It’s certainly a unique perspective
He's just made up am alternate reality in his head and gone with it.
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Do you not think that post covid he had an aggressive Max to deal within a more competitive car , something he hasn’t had since 2016 ?
Yes totally agree it’s the sport and you hit the nail on the head about an inferior driver brought in , Barrichello could have proved himself at Brawn but Jenson beat him.
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So we are three races in and George has an 11 point lead. It’s embarrassing for a 7 x WC with so much skill and experience not to be getting the best setup out of a car with a team he’s been with for 8 years .
Was it bad luck with the safety car in Australia or was it the car setup that Mercedes are blaming it on make your mind up guys ?
Oh I forgot , who starting the sprint in front of Lewis this afternoon? Oh surprise surprise it’s George .
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The only embarrassing aspect are ‘fan’ posts like this.
They are clearly testing out setups and equipment on the car. They’ve already stated they’ve made Hamilton’s car both lighter and heavier at different stages this year, that’s just the stuff we know about that will inevitably affect pace. They are basically still testing. Once they have a car competing for a championship, then we’ll see outright driver performance. You can’t take a whole career and then make your decision based on 3-4 races, well, you clearly can.
Rosberg consistently outperformed Schumacher on his return. That in no way diminishes Schumacher’s performances in my mind and the 7 WDCs in his prime speak for themselves.
Lewis and Max both had their fair share of mistakes last season.
Lewis was incredible during the back end of the season. He didn't put a foot wrong, whilst Max embarrassed himself (Jedda). Hamilton absolutely did stand out. Did you even watch last season? Max and Lewis were miles ahead of anyone else in the races, including their teammates. Like.... to a ridiculous degree. They were both on another level to any other driver.
By your logic, has Max lost it, and is Perez now better than Max?
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Sounds like it’s all over for Max /s
Yep, Perez 5 points ahead after 3 races and beat him by 3 positions in Qualy in Jedda. Max is finished/overrated....
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Sorry but this just comes across as a complete butthurt post. It's not an opinion that Lewis wasn't great last season, he really did make many many mistakes. It's a fact. Now that he has a challenging car to drive he's not exactly standing out against his team mate so far is he? Let's be realistic here instead of blind bias.
This topic is about him potentially being a Goat. Last season was not great and this season without the best car he's looking rather average.
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So Lewis fans think it’s ok for a new team mate to come in and I’ll quite Nico here ( just seen a sky sports interview). " George is on fire " and beat him hands down . Like I said it’s embarrassing and proves my point . We will see as the season progresses but I’ll say it now GR will place better than Leiws at the end of this season .
Didn’t Shumaker come out of retirement to help start the Mercedes’ team in 2010 last race before was 2006 ? Hardly race fresh and I can remember him telling fans his neck couldn’t take the g force at the time . Hardly an equal comparison given Leiws has raced consistently since 2007 ?
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You what ? This is a post about Lewis . Max has only finished 1 GP Thai season and won it the other 2 DNF with Mechanicals. So on form he’s the best driver on the grid so far this year .
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I don’t know, you’d have to ask them. We all know Nico is now the resident troll to gain hits, his word isn’t gospel. It does feed posters such as yourself though.
Who cares where GR ‘places’ unless it’s a WDC.
Schumacher had plenty of time to get back up to speed, but like Lewis he was at the tail end of his career.
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About sums it up for me .
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Oh, so it is the car. Cool.
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It's OK not being a Hamilton fan (I dislike him off the track and have since he became Dennis's latest favourite in 2007), but to try to dismiss his success and ability as you are is just plain odd.
Hamilton and Verstappen were on a completely different level to everyone else last season though. They were pushing each other so much that Bottas and Perez were rarely even in the same race, never mind the rest of the field. If you can't see that then there's no hope.
Is he the GOAT? That's completely a matter of opinion that I won't go into again, but he is undeniably one of the best of his era, and I include Schumacher in that too (given the regulations remained largely the same after Schumacher first retired).
The best of them? That's harder to know. You can argue cases for and against all of the top drivers around the mid-2000s onwards.
Schumacher was obviously not quite as good in 2006 as he had been in the 90s and very early 2000s. He was earth shatteringly good especially in the late 90s, but after he won Ferrari's first title in 2000 I think his performances started dropping slightly. I don't think he was quite as driven - still more so than everyone else, but the great drives were fewer and uncharacteristic mistakes crept in. Massa was showing signs of getting on terms with him in 2006 too. Maybe in hindsight Ferrari should have kept Schumacher, as Raikkonen lost interest in F1 after winning his title. Still, other than finishing the career of a three time champion, his teammates were average at best (Patrese/Verstappen/Lehto/Irvine) or definitive second drivers (or 1B
) (Brundle/Herbert/Barrichello/Massa).Vettel was utterly stunning in his championship years, dancing his car like nobody else could. His Toro Rosso performances before that were brilliant too (winning in Monza, and potentially losing Hamilton the title in Brazil). He's not been the same since the hybrid engines came in, thus I can't consider him a GOAT - greatest of a period, definitely in my opinion - but his inability to adapt to the hybrids abruptly finishes that discussion.
Alonso too, after Dennis shunned him in favour of Hamilton after Monaco his performances did drop, then the all out war around Hungary qualifying (which people usually forget was started by Hamilton) and Spygate. Alonso remained a great driver though in my opinion (and even now is showing hints he still has some of it). He didn't win a title after leaving for McLaren, but as a driver some of his best performances came in years he didn't win (Singapore crashgate people forget just how epic he was all weekend, and could have been on pole in a poor car but for a fuel pump failure), and his whole 2012 season was nothing short of sensational (he had no business taking that dog or a car to a title decider). Is he a GOAT contender? Controversial but in my opinion he could be ahead of both Hamilton and Schumacher, despite only winning two titles. Not because he was the fastest, but because he was tenacious, determined and formidable without being overly aggressive, doing things with poorer cars that I couldn't see the others doing.
I think the only niggle I've got with Hamilton is that he's only ever beaten one potential "great" in a team where they ended up loading the team towards him whereas the WDC who came in was shunned early on, so for me that took the edge off what was a great debut season. Other than that he's had Kovalainen, Button (very good driver, with some great drives, but hardly a GOAT contender), Rosberg (who nobody considered a WDC contender) and Bottas (again, who nobody considers a WDC contender). Russell is far too early to give any definitive results in a pretty torrid car after just three races - he might be a WDC in the future, and looks solid next to Hamilton at the moment, but it's far too early to tell until they achieve some degree of consistency in the car - even the cars looked different in qualifying yesterday). Stronger than Schumacher's team-mates, but there are some parallels with him in that regard.
He was great last season though. You are just denying reality like the other guy in here.
Max and Lewis were miles ahead of anyone else, and Lewis showed superb form through a lot of the season, especially at the end.
That is because you are as delusional as him.
You seem to be basing your views on the first few races of the season and discounting any other factors/bad luck.
Ergo, by your logic, Perez is now better than Max. Would you agree?
My point, is that making any sort of judgement this early in the season and based on the facts of what has happened is stupid.
if Russell ends the season well ahead of Lewis on merit, then you might have a point. At the moment, what you are posting is just hot garbage.
yep Lewis is pretty average