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Messi is staggering and I think he's the best player that's ever lived.
Is Messi finished?
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Not even close. He’s not even the best player his country has produced.
Soldato
He never really started it on the international stage to get to being finished. His national performances for Argentina have always been lack lustre. It's like he doesn;t really give a crap, which you can almost understand considering how much cash barca chuck at him every season. Winning the world cup doesn't put bacon on his table, but smashing stuff for his domestic club does.
Messi will still be going strong for his league side for seasons to come, but I don't think he will ever shine for his national squad in the same way Maradona, Batistuta, Caniggia or Crespo did
Soldato
exactly, whatever the reasons for his relatively poor displays at international level it's one of the reasons i can't see how anyone can say he's the greaest player ever. pele, maradonna and the likes were smasing it for club and country.
Don
Whaaaaaa
All this from not an out and out striker who is around 5'7ft! 38 assists too.
**** poor that.
And because some people can only think on the vs Ronaldo factor, I'll add CR has 21 goals more than Messi but also played 26 times more for his country.
Soldato
interesting, how many of those goals, assists etc are against guff teams though i wonder? stats are all well and good but i've watched enough of his games to know that he very often doesn't 'turn up' when needed or is off his game against the bigger teams.Whaaaaaa
All this from not an out and out striker who is around 5'7ft! 38 assists too.
**** poor that.
And because some people can only think on the vs Ronaldo factor, I'll add CR has 21 goals more than Messi but also played 26 times more for his country.
Don
He was voted the best player of the 2014 World Cup.
Anyway I’ll let someone scrutinise the teams he’s scored against. The fact is people have very short memories and are mental if they think he’s never performed for Arg.
Soldato
Whaaaaaa
All this from not an out and out striker who is around 5'7ft! 38 assists too.
**** poor that.
And because some people can only think on the vs Ronaldo factor, I'll add CR has 21 goals more than Messi but also played 26 times more for his country.
I am not saying Messi isn't a good / great player, I am saying he just doesn't seem that bothered on how well his national side does. If he was he would be far more animated on the park getting his boys motivated to play better and you simply don't see that. That doesn't detract from him being an outstanding player. This is of course just personal opinion, but in all the world cups i have seen Messi play, he just doesn't seem to get fired up or fire up the players around him. Maybe his mentality is different to a lot of other players, but he is the captain and should be a solid leading presence on the park, not a shrinking wall flower who sulks off when things aren't going right
Don
I doubt he chose himself to be captain. But someone will probably create a rumour that he did 
Players around them will be just happy to be playing with one of the greatest, hence probably why Barcelona are so bad without him.
Players around them will be just happy to be playing with one of the greatest, hence probably why Barcelona are so bad without him.
Soldato
He was voted the best player of the 2014 World Cup.
Anyway I’ll let someone scrutinise the teams he’s scored against. The fact is people have very short memories and are mental if they think he’s never performed for Arg.
he scored against average oponents and when it counted i.e the , final 16, quarters, semi's and the final he couldn't produce the goods, unless you count Nigeria, Bosnia and Iran as top flight international sides
Soldato
i didn't say he's never performed. but rather that those good performances have been engulfed by the number of wayward/poor perfomances he's had. maybe i've just been unlucky in that most of the games i've watced him play at internatonal level he has been average at best.He was voted the best player of the 2014 World Cup.
Anyway I’ll let someone scrutinise the teams he’s scored against. The fact is people have very short memories and are mental if they think he’s never performed for Arg.
His not even better then Bendter
Soldato
bit harsh! lol
Soldato
Far from finished.
However, I dont have an issue that he has had a couple of bad games.....this can happen to the very best.....I take issue with the fact that he seemed to give up. His attitude and demeanour seemed to be that of a quitter.
However, I dont have an issue that he has had a couple of bad games.....this can happen to the very best.....I take issue with the fact that he seemed to give up. His attitude and demeanour seemed to be that of a quitter.
This is my problem with him, he did the same in the last world cup for the last 3 games. Tactics might be bad, you might be having a few bad days, but, you can still find ways to impact a game by putting the effort in.
There is a point where it simply isn't worth it - if he really has no belief in what the manager is doing and no confidence in his players which is the impression I'm getting after the last world cup and now this then there is only so far it is worth exerting yourself before you are a fool for doing it regardless of how big a stage it is on.
And if that was Messi being a prima donna, rather than a failing of the team or management, then the manager should be dealing with that even if it means having Messi sit out - you aren't accomplishing anything by having someone on the pitch who doesn't want to be there.
Why bother coming back if you don't want to play? Playing for your country is a privilege, playing in the World Cup an even bigger one. And if really has no belief in what the manager was doing he could have left a long time before now
As for leaving Messi out if he's available for selection. hahahaha. There isn't one manager in the world who would have done that. Imagine the uproar? The manager would have been sacked before the second game.
EDIT: Sorry Rroff, I wasn't laughing at what you said, was laughing at the idea of a manager not playing Messi.
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has anyone been able to translate the above into plain english?
street footballer? the only people that come to mind is diego costa and suarez. those that will do anything including under hand tactics to get the better of an opponent.
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