Is the end of Battery EVs coming?

[bloodiedathame]

It always fascinates me how the older people get, the less likely they are to change their views, even when they have very little in the way of proof or experience. It's a bit sad really.

 

[Countcussy]

It always fascinates me how the older people get, the less likely they are to change their views, even when they have very little in the way of proof or experience. It's a bit sad really.

Its not just age, even though I partially agree with your point.
You have to change peoples thought process & mindset. You have to get people to think longer term. That's not easy. For some people, living in the here and now is difficult enough.
Its difficult for some people to process that something they do now, may have a positive effect in the future. A future which they may not be around to see.

More importantly, any major change needs to be accessible for the majority and not driven by a particular agenda.

 

[lordrobs]

You have to change peoples thought process & mindset. You have to get people to think longer term.

That is what causes the push back though. People don't want their minds changing for them, they want to be able to come to their own conclusions.

It's why organisations like Just Stop Oil cause such animosity. It isn't the cause it's the methods and attitudes used.

 

[bloodiedathame]

That is what causes the push back though. People don't want their minds changing for them, they want to be able to come to their own conclusions.

It's why organisations like Just Stop Oil cause such animosity. It isn't the cause it's the methods and attitudes used.

Most people come to their conclusions based on gut feeling; a belief, an emotion.

It's why I don't bother arguing, especially on the internet, any more.

 

[throwaway4372]

It always fascinates me how the older people get, the less likely they are to change their views, even when they have very little in the way of proof or experience. It's a bit sad really.

The opposite is true also though - young ppl read random trash online and believe it, especially so if someone bothers to fake something that looks vaguely scientific or authoritative.

 

[tonys]

It always fascinates me how the older people get, the less likely they are to change their views, even when they have very little in the way of proof or experience. It's a bit sad really.

I'm 64 and have a heat pump installed. I would go for solar, batteries and an ev if I could afford it. Don't assume age means we're not open to new technologies (ok probably not the wife). A government, no matter if Tory or Labour will start something and then go, there we've done our bit now you lot can carry it the rest of the way while we get ready for the next bit thing that is coming.

 

[tonys]

The opposite is true also though - young ppl read random trash online and believe it, especially so if someone bothers to fake something that looks vaguely scientific or authoritative.

This is quite true, my daughter and her partner seem to go on Internet sites that have interesting viewpoints shall we say.

 

[lordrobs]

Most people come to their conclusions based on gut feeling; a belief, an emotion.

It's why I don't bother arguing, especially on the internet, any more.

It's very nuanced though as we absorb information around us that then leads to those emotions, beliefs and feelings. They all stem from somewhere.

Taking it back to EVs for a second "We are going to ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars...". How was that ever going to be a good catalyst for change? We say, you obey. No wonder half the population instantly went on the defensive hence the "you'll prize my diesel engine from my cold dead hands" type comments from the people that were triggered the most.

We are complex creatures us humans, the government don't necessarily give the general public enough credit thinking that they are steered by three word statements on a lectern or ultimatums on what we must do for the environment from a guy who's private pool requires so much energy to heat that it required updates to the local network.

 

[Nasher]

I'm 64 and have a heat pump installed. I would go for solar, batteries and an ev if I could afford it. Don't assume age means we're not open to new technologies (ok probably not the wife). A government, no matter if Tory or Labour will start something and then go, there we've done our bit now you lot can carry it the rest of the way while we get ready for the next bit thing that is coming.

And won't change plans when it isn't working, because that means admitting they were wrong. Last decade we were all told to buy diesels but we knew it was causing more nox emissions.

When it comes to government, they don't think like the rest of the population.

 

[tonys]

And won't change plans when it isn't working, because that means admitting they were wrong. Last decade we were all told to buy diesels but we knew it was causing more nox emissions.

You should know by now that politician's never tell the truth or admit to a mistake(unless caught out big time)

 

[Nasher]

You should know by now that politician's never tell the truth or admit to a mistake(unless caught out big time)

Apart from a handful in history they are all self centered *****. If you meet one you'll see it straight away.

They act like they are CEOs and think they should be paid like one (by the tax payer). Public service isn't their mindset really.

 

[tonys]

Suitable property being the issue. Unless it has been built for a heatpump it probably won't be. Which adds a lot of extra costs. You also need somewhere to install the inverter, which can be quite noisy (especially once the fans start to go) and may get complaints from neighbours. Plus a large hot water tank.

1930's extended semi detached house, draughts and only about half the property insulated. Only a few rads changed and hot water cylinder placed in the loft, heat pump running 24/7 with the house set at 18°C, costs from £3-£6 p/d to run. Also if the hot water is used daily and not left for a long period of time there is no need to run a legionnaire cycle even at 55°C(Heatgeeks)

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Exactly. Heats the place up FAR quicker than a heatpumps too. Heatpumps only heat the water to something like 55c which is the reason you need giant radiators for them. It actually isn't hot enough to kill leagionella bacteria either, but like the government, let's just gloss over that for now.

Even at places like screwfix the heat pumps are now 65c models.
Realistically you don't want rads more than that as a max anyway.
Efficiency is gained by being lower.
You don't need giant radiators at all, you need suitable radiators based on your house and the effectiveness that it retains heat.

heat pumps can go to over 100C, ie superheated, although the only ones I have seen were in effect two part systems (2x compressors)

the heat pump is courtesy of tax payer subsidy too, if that wasn't in Kiers 28BN, subsidies which are also contributing for the chosen ev companies to
provide domestic battery production and avoid the future impact of rules of origin, itself an impediment for achieving 22%, as the other companies may remonstrate.

Basically irrelevant if your replacing your boiler with a heatpump, its what you pay that matters not the true cost.
Things like solar have showed that they need subsidy, until they don't.

Nothing wrong with a nicely sized modulating combi.. ours freed up loads of room in the loft and airing cupboard, it's been nearly 20% cheaper to run for us...

If I go 'heat pump', I'll go air to air so I can cool as well and run that off battery storage charged overnight on a cheap EV tarriff..

You wouldn't have saved 20% if you had bought a modern system boiler with tank as they have the same efficiency, literally the boilers are all listed as the same efficiency.
There is a marginal loss of energy from the tank (its truly very low now) but you missed the massive quality of life benefit of a system over a combi.

When my boiler did break down the other year (was actually a diverter valve) the fact I could still have a hot shower for the 48 hours it took to get fixed was a god send
I relished every second in that hot shower.

 

[bigmike20vt]

we got a combi to replace.our baxi back boiler........ now that was a horribly inefficient lump of metal . I can't believe it was 6 years ago now.

still has 4 years left on the warranty and I am not getting rid of well functioning hardware. the timing is unfortunate as I may miss out on a hell of a subsidised deal.
wil l definitely get away from gas next time.

whether that is a heat pump, a stone battery system or IR radiators am not sure yet

 

[adam cool dude]

Me personally I have no issue with having an EV. I couldn't care less about the "so called" environmental benefits because it is all basically hypocrisy.

All that it boils down to is a real range of 400 miles and it being as cheap or cheaper to run than an ICE car.

 

[crazyDAJT]

All that it boils down to is a real range of 400 miles and it being as cheap or cheaper to run than an ICE car.

Why 400 miles. Are you driving from Edinburgh to London frequently?

I drive 16-20k miles per year and have looked back at 3 years of driving history in my car and the max trip I take is significantly less than this.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

It’s lunatics guessing what they think they need. The time saved not having to go to a petrol station all year is always forgotten.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I love how people with an EV are discounted as some kind of fanatics.

I lost interest in trying to convince people years ago.

 

[Rroff]

I love how people with an EV are discounted as some kind of fanatics.

I lost interest in trying to convince people years ago.

Something I find is many people have different requirements for transport, but a lot of people seem unable or poorly able to understand it outside their own requirements.

 

[SDK^]

Something I find is many people have different requirements for transport, but a lot of people seem unable or poorly able to understand it outside their own requirements.

I think most people who say ‘my diesel can do 500/600/700 miles to a tank’ have their car sat parked on the drive/road for the majority of its life.
Sure, they probably drive a few long trips in a year, but most people are range limited by the size of their bladder, not the size of their fuel tank or battery.