Is the end of Battery EVs coming?

[b0rn2sk8]

That is also a bit of a twist. If someone is doing 20 mile a day commutes but going away at the weekends on a 300 mile round trip then yes the majority of their journeys is low mileage but then they cannot go away for the weekend without stopping to charge which is a massive inconvenience. Especially when you only got two days the last thing you want to do is spend an hour plus in a services.

My EV has a 200 mile real world range (in winter...) and could add 100 miles in ~10 minutes and at most 15 mins if the battery is a bit cold. That is assuming you can't charge at your destination which is getting more and more available. It's hardly a 'massive inconvenience' and is never an hour unless you are in something like an old Nissan Leaf....

Just because the vast majority are short it doesn't change the fact you still need to do longer journeys especially if you have any sense of adventure. We also live in a little country. This issue is obviously a lot bigger on say the continent or the states.

I've driven all over the country and into Europe and at no point felt like the range is limiting. Who cares about the states, we don't live there and driving around most of western Europe is easier than the UK in an EV. If anything a lot of the time the issue is the car charges too quickly and is ready before we are...

lol £19 quid parking, this country is trash-tier.

Parking in the centre of most major cities in Europe is £15+/day. It's very much expected these days.

 

[OspreyO]

I have free parking at work some days. But if it's full the nearest park is £25-30 a day. With that and the traffic is no longer viable.

 

[adam cool dude]

My EV has a 200 mile real world range (in winter...) and could add 100 miles in ~10 minutes and at most 15 mins if the battery is a bit cold. That is assuming you can't charge at your destination which is getting more and more available. It's hardly a 'massive inconvenience' and is never an hour unless you are in something like an old Nissan Leaf....



I've driven all over the country and into Europe and at no point felt like the range is limiting. Who cares about the states, we don't live there and driving around most of western Europe is easier than the UK in an EV. If anything a lot of the time the issue is the car charges too quickly and is ready before we are...



Parking in the centre of most major cities in Europe is £15+/day. It's very much expected these days.

My friend is a Spurs supporter and is a season ticket holder. He does 240 mile round trip and nowhere to charge. That is just one small example. We went to Chipping Norton for a flying experience then after took the kids to the Space Centre in Leicester then home. That was 275 miles in a day with nowhere to charge where I stopped.

You also say it is never an "hour" and whilst that is true for the charging aspect you forget to add in everything else. Just to stop for a pee in a services will take 20 minutes off my journey with traffic lights, general traffic etc and rejoining the motorway. Add the ten minutes to charge and you have easily lost 30-40 minutes off your route.

You also say who cares about the states and the wider world but the UK is such a small percentage of the world market for cars so when you need to look at the bigger picture for the viability of EV's across the world it falls massively short as the distances are a lot longer.

This summer I am booked to go to the Goodwood Festival of Speed with camping. No charging for me. 360 mile round trip and I have always done each way non stop.

Maybe down South things are a lot closer to you but at least myself and my immediate social group seem to do a lot of miles on the weekends when out and about.

 

[OspreyO]

My friend is a Spurs supporter and is a season ticket holder. He does 240 mile round trip and nowhere to charge. That is just one small example. We went to Chipping Norton for a flying experience then after took the kids to the Space Centre in Leicester then home. That was 275 miles in a day with nowhere to charge where I stopped.

You also say it is never an "hour" and whilst that is true for the charging aspect you forget to add in everything else. Just to stop for a pee in a services will take 20 minutes off my journey with traffic lights, general traffic etc and rejoining the motorway. Add the ten minutes to charge and you have easily lost 30-40 minutes off your route.

You also say who cares about the states and the wider world but the UK is such a small percentage of the world market for cars so when you need to look at the bigger picture for the viability of EV's across the world it falls massively short as the distances are a lot longer.

This summer I am booked to go to the Goodwood Festival of Speed with camping. No charging for me. 360 mile round trip and I have always done each way non stop.

Maybe down South things are a lot closer to you but at least myself and my immediate social group seem to do a lot of miles on the weekends when out and about.

There's charging at the Asda beside the space center. Their website mentions it. Also charging in Chipping Norton.

There's lots a charging options on the route to Goodwood. You wouldn't drive into remote campsite bouncing of the bottom of the gauge in a ICE, driving past all the stations on the way, why would you in an EV.

If I was doing regular long distance non stop trips, especially camping, I'd not buy a 1.0 tiny hatch to do it either.

No one's telling you to use a fork to eat soup.

 

[Feek]

lol £19 quid parking, this country is trash-tier.

You haven’t got a clue really.

Parkopedia Publishes the 2022 Global Parking Index

Parkopedia Publishes the 2022 Global Parking Index.

www.parking-mobility.org

 

[OspreyO]

You haven’t got a clue really.

Parkopedia Publishes the 2022 Global Parking Index

Parkopedia Publishes the 2022 Global Parking Index.

www.parking-mobility.org

So if you want to park in London definitely don't park in Australia.

 

[Feek]

So if you want to park in London definitely don't park in Australia.

You wouldn't get from Aus to London on a single charge, that's for sure.

 

[OspreyO]

You wouldn't get from Aus to London on a single charge, that's for sure.

You can't expect no charge for parking....

 

[Hawk Tuah]

lol £19 quid parking, this country is trash-tier.

If you're worried about paying £19 to park all day in a secure underground car park within walking distance of central London - you'd not enjoy much else about London.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

My friend is a Spurs supporter and is a season ticket holder. He does 240 mile round trip and nowhere to charge. That is just one small example. We went to Chipping Norton for a flying experience then after took the kids to the Space Centre in Leicester then home. That was 275 miles in a day with nowhere to charge where I stopped.

There are a lot of EVs on the market that would do 240 miles without stopping.

275 miles would need >5 mins charging on said long range cars, if they even need to stop, many will not. Even my old 60kwh Model 3 would only needs 6-10mins.

You also say it is never an "hour" and whilst that is true for the charging aspect you forget to add in everything else. Just to stop for a pee in a services will take 20 minutes off my journey with traffic lights, general traffic etc and rejoining the motorway. Add the ten minutes to charge and you have easily lost 30-40 minutes off your route.

You don’t need to stand next to the car to charge it like you do to fill a car up, you can pee while it’s charging. Plugging the car adds a minute, or two if you are being generous, unplugging adds 10 seconds, its 10 seconds at each end if you have a Tesla In any case, a 15 mins of lost time doesn't suddenly become 40 because you need to plug it in.

You also say who cares about the states and the wider world but the UK is such a small percentage of the world market for cars so when you need to look at the bigger picture for the viability of EV's across the world it falls massively short as the distances are a lot longer.

The bigger picture is the states buy very different vehicles to the rest of the world. Of the top 8 vehicles sold in the states, 5 are full size double cab pickup trucks that they don't even sell in Europe. When you compare the top 25 selling cars in the USA to Europe, I'm pretty sure the only car on both lists is the Model Y.

This summer I am booked to go to the Goodwood Festival of Speed with camping. No charging for me. 360 mile round trip and I have always done each way non stop.

You can level up your camping game at Goodwood with an EV that has V2L

You will have to spend an extra 20-30 mins out of 7 hours driving on one one off trip. The rest of the time your car re-fills itself on your drive and you avoid spending 40-60 mins a month getting petrol. On that sort of journey, you'd still have to refill a petrol car before you leave and almost immediately when you get back to avoid those motorway pump prices which is very similar dead time to rapid charging an EV if you had to make an extra stop.

Maybe down South things are a lot closer to you but at least myself and my immediate social group seem to do a lot of miles on the weekends when out and about.

As do I. I've already said I use public transport to commute, I still get through 12-14k miles a year just on the social, domestic and pleasure. My average journey is substantially longer than typical.

 

[bigmike20vt]

@Bug One (sorry forgot to quote) true dat! London is ludicrously expensive , thankfully given a choice of a lively night out in London (or any city) or a quiet night in a villiage pub (with a nice log fire in winter or a beer garden next to a lake or river in summer) the latter wins every time for me.

 

[Hawk Tuah]

Sadly, to see any of the top shows, museums or experiences (we were at The Gunpowder Plot) you need to head to London.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

Sadly, to see any of the top shows, museums or experiences (we were at The Gunpowder Plot) you need to head to London.

It's also probably quicker and easier to park on the outskirts and getting the tube the rest of the way in.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Sadly, to see any of the top shows, museums or experiences (we were at The Gunpowder Plot) you need to head to London.

I won't lie the natural history museum is totally my bag (tho I preferred it back in the day, it was a bit too techy last time I went) ... but then the one in Dublin is also impressive and as a city it's way more "me".

not sure if it is still going but there was a cool looking war of the worlds VR experience which almost dragged me there... and then there is ACDC live at wembley stadium in a few months which will be the last time I would get a chance to see my favourite band ...... but I have been reliably informed Wembley stadium is crap as a venue as you are so far away and £300+ a ticket.... (comes right back to London and bloody expensive)

 

[Hawk Tuah]

I've been to War of the Worlds experience. I highly recommend.

 

[jpaul]

It's the going up North weekend (warrior) activities that are more problematic ... set out at 7/8am for a 130milex2 day trip to Peak district -
you've got to hope that charger bay will be available at a convenient time, for those comparatively expensive KWhr's

See octopus are announcing their V2G tarif https://octopusev.com/powerloop, limited to nissan leaf plus a bundled £3K wallbox bi-charger ..
- when do we get an EV whose silicon carbide invertor can be re-deployed for generating the AC to feed back onto grid, does it's physical proximity to the motor preclude using it for v2g

 

[Sankari]

Electric cars are already too expensive, so I can't wait to be priced out of the market even further when hydrogen cars arrive, because those things will cost twice as much.

 

[OllyM]

You also say who cares about the states and the wider world but the UK is such a small percentage of the world market for cars so when you need to look at the bigger picture for the viability of EV's across the world it falls massively short as the distances are a lot longer.

I've done almost 1000 miles in a day in my Model S, long distances are not an issue at all.

Or another example, an 840 mile drive from Virginia to Florida.

It's just not a problem in reality. I remember during that Jacksonville charge I was having dinner and the car was ready before we were done eating!

 

[Rroff]

I've done almost 1000 miles in a day in my Model S, long distances are not an issue at all.

Ooof - I did that (well not quite as long) a bit north of you (across from Chicago) - is it the same where it is almost constantly (or at least feels like it) the same road over and over and over and over?

There are parts of the US or especially further north in Canada where it would be much more prohibitive though - even with an ICE can be dicey on range.

 

[adam cool dude]

There are a lot of EVs on the market that would do 240 miles without stopping.

275 miles would need >5 mins charging on said long range cars, if they even need to stop, many will not. Even my old 60kwh Model 3 would only needs 6-10mins.



You don’t need to stand next to the car to charge it like you do to fill a car up, you can pee while it’s charging. Plugging the car adds a minute, or two if you are being generous, unplugging adds 10 seconds, its 10 seconds at each end if you have a Tesla In any case, a 15 mins of lost time doesn't suddenly become 40 because you need to plug it in.


The bigger picture is the states buy very different vehicles to the rest of the world. Of the top 8 vehicles sold in the states, 5 are full size double cab pickup trucks that they don't even sell in Europe. When you compare the top 25 selling cars in the USA to Europe, I'm pretty sure the only car on both lists is the Model Y.


You can level up your camping game at Goodwood with an EV that has V2L

You will have to spend an extra 20-30 mins out of 7 hours driving on one one off trip. The rest of the time your car re-fills itself on your drive and you avoid spending 40-60 mins a month getting petrol. On that sort of journey, you'd still have to refill a petrol car before you leave and almost immediately when you get back to avoid those motorway pump prices which is very similar dead time to rapid charging an EV if you had to make an extra stop.



As do I. I've already said I use public transport to commute, I still get through 12-14k miles a year just on the social, domestic and pleasure. My average journey is substantially longer than typical.

Everything you just said are things you do not need to worry about with or do in an ICE so you have just completely justified my point. Thanks.