Is the end of Battery EVs coming?

Iamzod said:
It's based on the situation, mostly time. I value my spare time more than money, i have enough money to be comfortable, time not so much.
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It is a lucky situation to be in, as I am sure for most it is the other way around, when petrol hits £3/L and every city and town has a 'congestion/air quality' charge it's people like yourself who'll still be able to take advantage of the convenience over the cost. Probably 10 years away but that isn't a long time in real terms.
 
robj20 said:
Why would I be being sarcastic? Why are they not the same. A few car manuals I've read tell you the same, it's best to keep the car at around 80% charge max only go to 100% if you need to. But for best battery health 80% max, which to me suggests they're as short lived as mobile, laptop batteries.
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The chemistry in EV vehicle batteries is very different to laptop batteries and cannot be compared. EV batteries are engineered specifically for a long life with 10s of thousands of charge cycles. Laptop and phone batteries have different chemistries and additives that increase density and reduce costs.
 
D.P. said:
The chemistry in EV vehicle batteries is very different to laptop batteries and cannot be compared. EV batteries are engineered specifically for a long life with 10s of thousands of charge cycles. Laptop and phone batteries have different chemistries and additives that increase density and reduce costs.
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Thanks. Finally a simple answer.
 
Journey said:
It is a lucky situation to be in, as I am sure for most it is the other way around, when petrol hits £3/L and every city and town has a 'congestion/air quality' charge it's people like yourself who'll still be able to take advantage of the convenience over the cost. Probably 10 years away but that isn't a long time in real terms.
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They said it was based on the situation but mainly time (I'm of the same opinion as Iamzod on that one) so you counter with a hypothetical alternative situation that doesn't exist yet. Talk about steering the narrative!

Anyway, let's all stop messing around. The solution is simple and has been with us for over 50 years. Just carve a thin groove into every major road, couple of contact strips either side and boom... 1:1 scale scalextric. All you need then is a 10kWh battery to get you the first and last few miles of your journey.

Just need to find a solution for the carpet fluff build up...
 
I am not sure it will take off but actually there is a charging motorway which allows your car to charge whilst driving. can't remember where and it's only a few miles long. expensive tho!

I *think* (it's been a while since I saw it) it is similar tech to contactless phone charging. it is covered on an early episode of fully charged iirc on youtube
 
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Tinders said:
Solution is we need to drive less :p take the poster above, doing a days work on site and then driving back 200 plus miles, that’s not right for the employee or company.
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Part of my role is UK wide onsite support so a 200+ mile drive home after I finish is a fairly frequent occurrence and TBH it really isn't that big of a deal. What I do find though is I want that drive to be entirely on my terms.

I'll often have a longish stop early doors to eat dinner while the commuters fight it out and have more driving time while it is quieter. Sometimes I'll want a 20 minute chill out with a coffee other times I'll want to just get the trip done with the necessary splash and dash stops (for me or the car) kept to a minimum.

When I eventually have to move over to EV I think having to work to the cars schedule will be one of the hardest things to adjust to.
 
Tinders said:
Solution is we need to drive less :p take the poster above, doing a days work on site and then driving back 200 plus miles, that’s not right for the employee or company.
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Its also pretty unusual
It always tends to be the edge cases who argue BEV will not work.
When for the vast majority they already will.

I have no issue with Hydrogen, I think it would be good to have two competing techs
I do wish those who advocate hydrogen would go and check the stats on it though because clearly most have no idea at all how much space a significant hydrogen tank would need (to meet the quoted 600-700 mile ranges), and thats for the fuel cell version.
The direct combustion version is far far worse.
 
Jonnycoupe said:
Indeed and then says time is important to him!
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It is, 19 days out of 20 I work from home, i start my commute at 8:59 & get "home" at 5:01pm .

I absolutely do not want to be messing about with public chargers & it's likely i guess part of the reason i'll happily drive 3-6 hours without stopping in order to get back home when I do have to pay one of my accounts a visit.
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Journey said:
Even in my 'crappy' Ioniq that would have still be a non-issue, no sure why you'd be thanking **** for 185 miles.
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Was ~119 miles each way - total of around 300 miles, sure some EVs now can do about that but it would be less than comfortable watching the range :s sure there were opportunities in there to top up the charge but not ideal with what turned out to be quite a stressful day - around that time I'd been looking at a 2018 Nissan Leaf with around 150 miles real world range IIRC.

For me a much better option would be a plug in hybrid with around 30 miles electric range and decent range on fuel as the bulk of my journeys are my commute to work but also have quite a varied requirement around that.

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
It always tends to be the edge cases who argue BEV will not work.
When for the vast majority they already will.
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Problem is in the real world people still need to do these edge cases. As above for me personally the best solution is some form of hybrid though currently nothing exists at least at my budget which fits all requirements.
 
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Iamzod said:
It is, 19 days out of 20 I work from home, i start my commute at 8:59 & get "home" at 5:01pm .

I absolutely do not want to be messing about with public chargers & it's likely i guess part of the reason i'll happily drive 3-6 hours without stopping in order to get back home when I do have to pay one of my accounts a visit.
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That's exactly how I find it. My site visits are more like one or two a week but I can really make the time work for me when I know that a full tank means I've got more mileage than I could possibly require in a day.

The bodily functions element always comes up as soon as EVs are mentioned which makes me chuckle. If I need a wee... Guess what, I stop for a wee in any garage, supermarket, McDonald's... I like. I don't have to think "Ooh, if I can hang on another half an hour I'll be at Rugby services and a 20 minute rapid charge should get me home". Travelling with kids must be a nightmare with stops strategically pre planned before you set off!

Destination charging will be the ultimate convenience solution IMO. I was onsite today and took the opportunity to nip into IKEA to get some playroom storage and parked opposite a mostly empty bank of chargers. No idea what speed they were but if I was in an EV that would have been a handy top-up while I got lost in the IKEA maze and downed a dozen meat balls. I was probably there best part of an hour.
 
lordrobs said:
That's exactly how I find it. My site visits are more like one or two a week but I can really make the time work for me when I know that a full tank means I've got more mileage than I could possibly require in a day.

The bodily functions element always comes up as soon as EVs are mentioned which makes me chuckle. If I need a wee... Guess what, I stop for a wee in any garage, supermarket, McDonald's... I like. I don't have to think "Ooh, if I can hang on another half an hour I'll be at Rugby services and a 20 minute rapid charge should get me home". Travelling with kids must be a nightmare with stops strategically pre planned before you set off!

Destination charging will be the ultimate convenience solution IMO. I was onsite today and took the opportunity to nip into IKEA to get some playroom storage and parked opposite a mostly empty bank of chargers. No idea what speed they were but if I was in an EV that would have been a handy top-up while I got lost in the IKEA maze and downed a dozen meat balls. I was probably there best part of an hour.
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I’m fortunate that I have fixed trips, only 2 need charge stops, so planning is easier, any trip over 150 miles is an automatic hotel stay, with 3 little kids, even a night away at a premier inn is a blessing :p

Ref wee stops….with my bladder I don’t get a choice when I stop nowadays. Most of my clients have charge points with 11kw chargers so I might have to call in a favour if I’m running low.

Im pretty much set on a EV now, it’s the only cost effective way of getting a nice company car.
 
Tinders said:
Im pretty much set on a EV now, it’s the only cost effective way of getting a nice company car.
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Oh, absolutely! I'm only basic rate so a nice EV would probably save me circa £100 - 120 a month vs my run of the mill C segment estate. That's still a fair chunk of change though and a better car to drive.

If your higher rate then the convenience of ICE comes at a pretty unpalatable cost.
 
Just been browsing the portal and the ionic have dropped hugely today. Ionic 6 ultimate is pretty much nothing and any Phev is hundreds of pounds a months. So fleet is basically being forced down the EV road, by the way of pricing, which means even more EV’s on the used market in 3-4 years.
 
D.P. said:
The chemistry in EV vehicle batteries is very different to laptop batteries and cannot be compared. EV batteries are engineered specifically for a long life with 10s of thousands of charge cycles. Laptop and phone batteries have different chemistries and additives that increase density and reduce costs.
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They also have advanced battery management systems to balance all the cells and keep everything at the best operating temperatures via heating or cooling.
 
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