Is the end of Battery EVs coming?

Why not, it worked for about 100yrs now

For regional travel, not flying across the world. Back in the days before jets it took up to 12 days to reach Australia by air. That was on very light aircraft with no real safety.
 
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Currently yes. But how far have batteries come in 15 years with all the money thrown at it?
No, currently it's 3-4x, with expected advances taking us to 2.5-3.5x sometime in the future. Unfortunately, the effort of compressing, transporting, storing, and dispensing all reduce efficiency, and there's not really a way around the physics of compressing a gas into a tank.
 
Japan has thrown billions at Hydrogen tech, it’s essentially gone nowhere. Hydrogen generation costs a phenomenal amount of money, especially green hydrogen. I’m fairly close to the industry, all plans and trials have been shelved for the short term, that would not be the case if it was so ‘easy’ to harness. Let’s be realistic please.

Battery tech is here and present ffs, charge at your house or a station, it’s something we can all use in some form or other now. Can you say the same for hydrogen? It maybe a solution in the future, but it’s a long time away.
 
With the latest being Volvo, adding to Ford, GM, VW/Audi Group, Toyota & Honda, all cancelling plans to develop, expand or even continue production of battery EVs, does this signal the end for them?

Ford and Volvo haven't said what comes next however reports state that Toyota, Honda and GM are going to focus on Hydrogen, with the latter pair opting to work together.

Is this the end of the road for battery?

Hydrogen fuel cell tech has been in production cars since around 2007, Honda's FCX Clarity. It showed it does work. Unfortunately I think it came too early. I think if it came at the time the push for EVs started it would have won over BEV. However because it came too early it was shunned and forgotten about.
You might need to remove Ford from your statement
 
Not going with hydrogen is a political decision, well... a greed decision. Hydrogen is easy to harvest, so politicians won't be able to sit on the boards of a handful of giant corporations producing it as small companies could do it. There is nothing to mine or recycle so it's a lot more accessible, you just need water and electricity then a way to capture it.
a metric truck ton of electricity tho.
 
18k? More like 118k. Plus the mess actually mining the minerals makes. Then when you inevitably need to replace batteries that increases.
this is just wrong.... then people wonder why I get frustrated. just the tiniest amount of basic research shows this it as accurate as a flat earth.
EVs are not perfect but Jesus Christ. also EVs have continually been shown to be more reliable than ICE cars. sure they can break down ..... but not as much.

as for the mining...... mining iron makes a mess , and we mine a lot more iron than we do anything in car batteries, not to mention coal.

everything we use is either grown or dug out of the earth, why pick on battery materials ?

and there have been some pretty disastrous spills involving oil as well.
 
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this is just wrong.... then people wonder why I get frustrated. just the tiniest amount of basic research shows this it as accurate as a flat earth.
EVs are not perfect but Jesus Christ. also EVs have continually been shown to be more reliable than ICE cars. sure they can break down ..... but not as much.

as for the mining...... mining iron makes a mess , and we mine a lot more iron than we do anything in car batteries, not to mention coal.

everything we use is either grown or dug out of the earth, why pick on battery materials ?

and there have been some pretty disastrous spills involving oil as well.
You mean like this for comparison.
All-the-Metals-We-Mined.jpg
 
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Why would you get frustrated? It's Nasher, if he ever says anything accurate you buy a lottery ticket.


Just laugh at him and move on like everyone else does.
I didn't realise he was a resident troll. call me naive but I try and post assuming people are being honest rather than deliberately making stuff up. however point taken.
 
TBH the way I look at it, the amount of oil used for air travel is probably only a couple of % of the total for long haul, far more flights are short haul.
With that in mind I don't see an issue with allowing that to continue whilst they work on better options for long haul (which they already are).
Short haul they seem to believe commercial electric versions are only a matter of years away.

Total air travel is about 8% of global oil usage and maritime 7%.

Why would you get frustrated? It's Nasher, if he ever says anything accurate you buy a lottery ticket.


Just laugh at him and move on like everyone else does.

I have said for many years, what ever he posts its almost certainly the opposite is the truth.

I love it when people (like Masher) mention liquid nitrogen. Its basically a bomb waiting to go off in liquid form, unless actively kept cold.
As it warms it needs to be vented to avoid that, and as such if you fill your car up you need to keep it at some absurd - value, or vent it as mentioned.
Problem is when you vent nitrogen you can't do it in an enclosed space (so under ground carparks or really anywhere enclosed would be a no go for liquid nitrogen vehicles) because the gas can replace oxygen and you can literally suffocate.
(We use nitrogen at work in enclosed spaces and we have two levels of nitrogen detection in these places to ensure people are safe to enter!)
 
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Oh no, someone else disagrees with the party line. Better mob up and tell him he's wrong because Elon says so

Someone disagrees with the party line?

No offence dude but your inability to participate in conversations without making yourself look like an absolute melt isn't new, you've been doing it for as long as I've been on these boards at least, who know how much longer.

So no, it's not someone "disagreeing with the party line" it's just you being you. Nothing more, nothing less. Own it at least.

You're literally a meme on these boards, people actually coined the term Lolnasher just for you, but somehow it's everyone else?

Come on man.
 
One factor to bear in mind. Re: car sales is that interest rates have risen, so buying/leasing a new car is now more expensive. Tbh I can see car makers like VW group, GM etc going under with the rise of the cheap/good enough EV from BYD,geely and other Chinese marques

Lease prices have dropped by up to £400 per month over the last few months on £70k-£80k cars. Less for cheaper cars. Finally. Lease prices had got ridiculous and way out of hand.
 
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