ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[Skunkworks]

RT seem to leading the story, even if it's true - the truth matters not. He has something we want, nothing to see here

This is what bugs me - why are we even trying to talk/buy our way out of this when we can secure borders and say "no more migrants and no more money, end of". What the hell is anyone going to do?

Europe’s tolerance is being abused en masse.

 

[RoboCod]

Which documents are these? Mind you not surprised the oil was going over the Turkish border. Someone had to be buying it!

US spy agencies killing journalists though, really? Where's this come from? Thought the Russians had a monopoly on silencing journalists with a bullet.

He's another one of those posters where, well, y'know.... Nod, smile, move on. Whatever you do though, don't engage in discussion because it will lead you down a path of absolute absurdity.

Now prepare to be edified you sheeple!

 

[Arazi]

If any of this is true the Belgian security services are a total shambles, what's next?

Belgium Fears Nuclear Plants Are Vulnerable

"In 2012, two employees at the nuclear plant in Doel quit to join jihadists in Syria, and eventually transferred their allegiances to the Islamic State. Both men fought in a brigade that included dozens of Belgians, including Abdelhamid Abaaoud, considered the on-the-ground leader of the Paris attacks.

One of these men is believed to have died fighting in Syria, but the other was convicted of terror-related offenses in Belgium in 2014, and released from prison last year, according to Pieter Van Oestaeyen, a researcher who tracks Belgium’s jihadist networks. It is not known whether they communicated information about their former workplace to their Islamic State comrades.

At the same plant where these jihadists once worked, an individual who has yet to be identified walked into the reactor No. 4 in 2014, turned a valve and drained 65,000 liters of oil used to lubricate the turbines. The ensuing friction nearly overheated the machinery, forcing it to be shut down. The damage was so severe that the reactor was out of commission for five months.

Investigators are now looking into possible links between that case and terrorist groups, although they caution that it could also have been the work of an insider with a workplace grudge. What is clear is that the act was meant to sow dangerous havoc — and that the plant’s security systems can be breached."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/world/europe/belgium-fears-nuclear-plants-are-vulnerable.html

 

[RaohNS]

He's another one of those posters where, well, y'know.... Nod, smile, move on. Whatever you do though, don't engage in discussion because it will lead you down a path of absolute absurdity.

Now prepare to be edified you sheeple!

Yea and down that path wayyyyy down you can see RoboCod. Still smarting from his earlier confrontation with a paradox and rather than tackle it chose to act like a child and use ridicule. Grow up Son.

 

[scorza]

If any of this is true the Belgian security services are a total shambles, what's next?

Belgium Fears Nuclear Plants Are Vulnerable

"In 2012, two employees at the nuclear plant in Doel quit to join jihadists in Syria, and eventually transferred their allegiances to the Islamic State. Both men fought in a brigade that included dozens of Belgians, including Abdelhamid Abaaoud, considered the on-the-ground leader of the Paris attacks.

One of these men is believed to have died fighting in Syria, but the other was convicted of terror-related offenses in Belgium in 2014, and released from prison last year, according to Pieter Van Oestaeyen, a researcher who tracks Belgium’s jihadist networks. It is not known whether they communicated information about their former workplace to their Islamic State comrades.

At the same plant where these jihadists once worked, an individual who has yet to be identified walked into the reactor No. 4 in 2014, turned a valve and drained 65,000 liters of oil used to lubricate the turbines. The ensuing friction nearly overheated the machinery, forcing it to be shut down. The damage was so severe that the reactor was out of commission for five months.

Investigators are now looking into possible links between that case and terrorist groups, although they caution that it could also have been the work of an insider with a workplace grudge. What is clear is that the act was meant to sow dangerous havoc — and that the plant’s security systems can be breached."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/26/world/europe/belgium-fears-nuclear-plants-are-vulnerable.html

Belgian nuclear worker found dead, security pass stolen Let's be honest, we all know it's only a matter of time before a dirty bomb gets set off in a major European city.

 

[Werewolf]

Belgian nuclear worker found dead, security pass stolen Let's be honest, we all know it's only a matter of time before a dirty bomb gets set off in a major European city.

Killing a nuclear worker (or anyone) for a security pass is a pretty stupid way of trying to get into a secure area, it gives you a really small window of opportunity before security gets a lot more alert generally.
It also requires you to be able to fool the human side of the security system, which is reasonably hard if your stolen pass is for a regular employee*.

The passes will likely be revoked the instant the place hears of the users death, or it's reported missing (even if the person the pass belongs to goes missing they'll probably revoke it fast).
There will be procedures in place to cancel passes if they're lost/stolen, let alone upon the murder of the holder.

Given the pass was likely in his wallet or something it's probable that it wasn't stolen specifically, but his wallet was stolen.
It's also quite possible it's not stolen at all, just not been found with the body (it could be in a drawer, coat etc) as he was found at home.



*If you're going to try and gain access to a secure facility you're probably better off getting a legitimate ID for yourself under false pretences.

 

[Arazi]

Belgian nuclear worker found dead, security pass stolen Let's be honest, we all know it's only a matter of time before a dirty bomb gets set off in a major European city.

Yes I noticed that one to. Alarming, especially that I have read that several people have had their security clearance suspended at nuclear plants.

Why are we not hearing about this on main stream media channels as priority news?

 

[Rroff]

I'm kind of wondering if/when ISIS manages to utilise a dirty bomb - they've been trying without much success for quite awhile to produce a radiological device. (And getting trolled quite hard lol - people selling them all kinds of crap for high prices i.e. "red mercury").

The passes will likely be revoked the instant the place hears of the users death, or it's reported missing (even if the person the pass belongs to goes missing they'll probably revoke it fast).
There will be procedures in place to cancel passes if they're lost/stolen, let alone upon the murder of the holder.

I'd like to say you were right...

 

[Sliver]

Belgian nuclear worker found dead, security pass stolen Let's be honest, we all know it's only a matter of time before a dirty bomb gets set off in a major European city.

You're so hyperbolic with your rhetoric. Take a walk down reality street. All this blather and fear mongering is just window dressing. These fundamentalist morons are never going to get a dirty bomb. They don't have access to that weaponry. They wouldn't know how to use it anyway. These people are nutters and the best they can do is kill innocent people with suicide vests and guns. They think they are bringing about a caliphate but in reality they are thugs blinded by religion and hate.

 

[scorza]

You're so hyperbolic with your rhetoric. Take a walk down reality street. All this blather and fear mongering is just window dressing. These fundamentalist morons are never going to get a dirty bomb. They don't have access to that weaponry. They wouldn't know how to use it anyway. These people are nutters and the best they can do is kill innocent people with suicide vests and guns. They think they are bringing about a caliphate but in reality they are thugs blinded by religion and hate.

Islamic State have seized enough radioactive materiel to make a WMD. You know what is meant by a dirty bomb right? Normal explosives surrounded by nasty materials e.g. radioactive - nothing particularly sophisticated. All they have to do is get the material they've seized in Syria and Iraq to Europe somehow, which I don't think is that difficult.

 

[Rroff]

You're so hyperbolic with your rhetoric. Take a walk down reality street. All this blather and fear mongering is just window dressing. These fundamentalist morons are never going to get a dirty bomb. They don't have access to that weaponry. They wouldn't know how to use it anyway. These people are nutters and the best they can do is kill innocent people with suicide vests and guns. They think they are bringing about a caliphate but in reality they are thugs blinded by religion and hate.

Problem is (and something that makes it a bit of a nightmare for the security services) many of the recent attacks aren't by people with established links to ISIS but self established cells that subscribe themselves to ISIS (there is a whole thing in relation to the establishment of a caliphate here that is beyond a single forum post). While many are little more than thugs like with the recent stuff in Belgium there are a diverse range of people who will answer ISIS's call including those who do posses much higher level/specialised skill sets.

Islamic State have seized enough radioactive materiel to make a WMD. You know what is meant by a dirty bomb right? Normal explosives surrounded by nasty materials e.g. radioactive - nothing particularly sophisticated. All they have to do is get the material they've seized in Syria and Iraq to Europe somehow, which I don't think is that difficult.

They've been trying to obtain materials for awhile but largely despite the headlines have ended up with junk (atleast if you believe the 3rd parties who have/do trade with them) or stuff they simply don't have the storage or skill sets to utilise.

 

[Chris Wilson]

The UK Daily Telegraph claim no pass or uniforms were missing. The Belgian police claimed in the immediate aftermath they thought it a burglary gone wrong.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...cks-nuclear-isil-suspects-victims-latest.html

 

[Arazi]

You're so hyperbolic with your rhetoric. Take a walk down reality street. All this blather and fear mongering is just window dressing. These fundamentalist morons are never going to get a dirty bomb. They don't have access to that weaponry. They wouldn't know how to use it anyway. These people are nutters and the best they can do is kill innocent people with suicide vests and guns. They think they are bringing about a caliphate but in reality they are thugs blinded by religion and hate.

I used to have that view but not anymore, the complete lack of competence from the security services in various countries is astounding, or is that what they want us to think?

The way things have gone since the Paris attacks and all these nutjobs hiding in plain sight only says to me that the security is either really lacking or that some of this has been allowed to happen, for whatever reason i am not sure of yet.

So who's to say what is coming next if the security services dont stop these scum because they are either useless at what they are doing or they are facilitating some of the attacks we see going on.

I dont want to believe that our security services are turning a blind eye on purpose but going on the past weeks events part of me is thinking something else is going on.

Think about it, they cause mayhem in Belgium, then within a week they seem to have rounded up everyone they think are involved, come on, really, they knew about these people well before the attacks and so did quite a few other countries, USA, Turkey, why was it not done before the attacks.

 

[scorza]

The UK Daily Telegraph claim no pass or uniforms were missing. The Belgian police claimed in the immediate aftermath they thought it a burglary gone wrong.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...cks-nuclear-isil-suspects-victims-latest.html

Let's hope so (though still horrible that the bloke is dead), but based on the performance of the Belgian police I'm not exactly convinced.

 

[Arazi]

The UK Daily Telegraph claim no pass or uniforms were missing. The Belgian police claimed in the immediate aftermath they thought it a burglary gone wrong.....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...cks-nuclear-isil-suspects-victims-latest.html

Again something is not right about what we are told or not told, why has this not been widely reported on the MSM as headline news?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/w...uclear-official-video-paris-attacks.html?_r=0

"A suspect linked to the Nov. 13 Paris attackers was found with surveillance footage of a high-ranking Belgian nuclear official, the Belgian authorities acknowledged on Thursday, raising fears that the Islamic State is trying to obtain radioactive material for a terrorist attack.

The existence of the footage, which the police in Belgium seized on Nov. 30, was confirmed by Thierry Werts, a spokesman for Belgium’s federal prosecutor, after being reported in the Belgian daily newspaper La Dernière Heure.

The news set off an immediate outcry among Belgian lawmakers, who charged that they and the country had been misled about the extent of the potential threats to the country’s nuclear facilities, as well as about the ambitions of the terrorist network linked to the Islamic State that used Belgium to plot the Paris attacks, which killed 130 people.

The International Atomic Energy Agency and the State Department also confirmed on Thursday a report by Reuters that radioactive material had disappeared since November in Iraq, where the Islamic State controls broad areas of territory, adding to fears that the group may be able to acquire material for an attack with newly disconcerting dimensions."

 

[Rroff]

I used to have that view but not anymore, the complete lack of competence from the security services in various countries is astounding, or is that what they want us to think?

The way things have gone since the Paris attacks and all these nutjobs hiding in plain sight only says to me that the security is either really lacking or that some of this has been allowed to happen, for whatever reason i am not sure of yet.

So who's to say what is coming next if the security services dont stop these scum because they are either useless at what they are doing or they are facilitating some of the attacks we see going on.

I dont want to believe that our security services are turning a blind eye on purpose but going on the past weeks events part of me is thinking something else is going on.

Think about it, they cause mayhem in Belgium, then within a week they seem to have rounded up everyone they think are involved, come on, really, they knew about these people well before the attacks and so did quite a few other countries, USA, Turkey, why was it not done before the attacks.

Aside from potential incompetence one aspect is that we never see or hear about many many of the threats that the security services do deal with and prevent and often they simply don't have the resources to comprehensively cover their remit.

The other problem is that the threats from the likes of ISIS are evolving faster than generally accepted until something happens - many of the recent attacks haven't had the same kind of centralised ties as traditional terrorist threats and/or in the digital age ISIS have been relatively successful in reaching out to and manipulating people online that don't have traditional ties to radical/extreme groups.

 

[Tefal]

Islamic State have seized enough radioactive materiel to make a WMD. You know what is meant by a dirty bomb right? Normal explosives surrounded by nasty materials e.g. radioactive - nothing particularly sophisticated. All they have to do is get the material they've seized in Syria and Iraq to Europe somehow, which I don't think is that difficult.

.radiation is very easy to track though.

Also dirty bombs aren't really that effective

Unless youve got some really good material most its going to cause is a long clean up operation.

Maybe a few cancers in the long term.

 

[Arazi]

Lot's of Nazi's just arrived in Brussels.

The BBC make me laugh, reporter just said the nazi's are here to try and split Belgian society to an extent, i think that has already happened, but i dont think we need far right\nazi's involved.

 

[Skunkworks]

.radiation is very easy to track though.

Also dirty bombs aren't really that effective

Unless youve got some really good material most its going to cause is a long clean up operation.

Maybe a few cancers in the long term.

I was about to say something similar. As I understand it, the radiation from a dirty bomb is so weak and defused you could pretty much have one sitting in the centre of a city will little noticeable effect.

 

[Glaucus]

Aside from potential incompetence one aspect is that we never see or hear about many many of the threats that the security services do deal with and prevent and often they simply don't have the resources to comprehensively cover their remit.
s.

As well as how much privacy is respected, uk/America doesn't care about privacy and as such has a good intelligence service.
France is very much in favour of personal privacy and as such there intelligence agencies are compromised.
It's all a balance of what people think is worth it.

As for dirty bomb, it would be devastating. More of public opinion than outcome. People would panic, wouldn't want to live in the city etc.