ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[RoboCod]

We should stay out of Syria then, as the reasoning for war is 'peace and love'. I'm not prepared to die in a war with Russia over Syria however horrible it gets for the civilians, are you?

Since the likelihood of that happening is remote, I've not really given it much thought to care.

The guy is relatively well educated, certainly moreso than most, he's not a buffoon, why on earth would he trade off his life (quite potentially), with that of a few hundred of his soldiers and a few more weeks (not to mention the backing of Russia) to flush out some rebels? It's absurd.

Why do men in power do anything that they do? More so, why do dictators in particular? And why do they cling on like they do? Power and greed, like any other is why. That and ego.

The way some people seem to paint these leaders as saints is beyond me. Trump is almost always described as a tyrannical monster though...

 

[RoboCod]

I don't think he's a saint, I just question the narrative. We seem happy to prop up these crooked leaders when it benefits us. Saddam was one and Gaddafi was another. We only seek to remove them once they attempt to come out from under our control, there's absolutely no humanitarian motivation, absolutely none.

Just to confirm, do you think the west instigated the whole ordeal? Did they gather all the people who oppose Assad and tell them "go and let him have it boys!"...? If so, how on earth?

The west jumped on an opportunity when they saw one, but they're not some omnipresent power that orchestrates the world like the CT brigade believe.

Tell me though, should the West not have intervened with ISIS? should they have been left, with impunity, hacking the heads off of British aid workers and journalists?

I don't think he's a saint, I just question the narrative. We seem happy to prop up these crooked leaders when it benefits us. Saddam was one and Gaddafi was another. We only seek to remove them once they attempt to come out from under our control, there's absolutely no humanitarian motivation, absolutely none.

You're applying mortality with naive romanticism to what is by its nature, a dirty and selfish world of political power play. Again, the hippy utopia isn't viable.

This idea that we're the sole reason that some of these countries are a mess doesn't wash with me.

Ding ding! Thread revisits, for probably the 100th time, the fact that the ME was messed up long before the West ever involved itself there. Try convincing the self-depricating otherwise though.

Remote but not impossible, Indulge us, how many lives in Syria are worth you and your family being incinerated in a war with Russia? What is the threshold? All of them for me I'm afraid, not our problem. If you cannot handle that then perhaps you need to leave the thread.

Bless. You had so many characters to work with and that's all you managed to come up with

 

[RoboCod]

How is it all BS?

We know for a fact that our own government is beyond incompetent and holds nothing but contempt for anyone earning below $100k, there's a good god damn reason trust is low, because they keep ******* lying and hurting their citizens.

The only reason the US and UK are currently in this embarrassing situation is because we put ourselves there, Russia or whomever else is involved is barely a blip on the bigger inter-connected problems we have in the West that we don't seem to want to solve. We gloss over it with "apparent" increases in wealth, well it can't continue forever and we will be forced to deal with it eventually.

What are these big inter connected problems that we have? It just sounds like more self deprecating vitriol. I know you don't want to hear this but, you there, living in the west, has never had it so good.

But our economical ones will be severely hampered, far more important in the long run.

But you just said that's just "Apparent" increases in wealth anyway. So why worry.

while wrong, the whole Ukrainian situation was instigated by the US.

I am still prepared to accept Assad or even Russia is behind the attack.

Praise be!

Assad interview

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Thought he didn't care what the world thinks?

Makes a good point @ 3:40 - the Jihadis were advancing and gaining ground a few weeks ago and if he'd had chemical weapons why not use them then. Not that it matters to those programmed to react to staged events by their governments, because these days even an innocent "hello" from Putin or Assad can be spun to mean an insult to someone, or a sign of "belligerence".

Be honest, am I seriously witnessing a little contest between you guys? One called, "be the biggest shill"? It's an in joke isn't it?

 

[RoboCod]

They'll have stopped some, as usual. Also, they'll be waiting to see the totality of the damage and get all the info, before retaliating. They are after all, the more responsible side now.

https://www.rt.com/news/424094-syria-strike-consequences-antonov/

Uh-oh

Yep, definitely not on any "side".

 

[RoboCod]

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At least we know where you stand. Like the UK, US and France you are now supporting ISIS... Bravo!

Bot accounts... Is that tin foil hat beginning to itch?

 

[RoboCod]

Is it acceptable for the UK government to extrajudicially murder, by drone strike, it's own citizens who take up the cause of an enemy when they pose no direct threat to the government or the people of the UK?

But they did/do.

 

[RoboCod]

Get more info. Find some perspective.

Brilliant. It's like CT bingo. I just need "sheeple" for a full house.

ah... just saw the Alex Jones rant... if you want an explanation for the above poster's rather weird POV (the UK/US, France are now supporting ISIS, wat??? Turn off main stream media etc..) just keep in mind he watches info wars - Alex Jones has lost his **** and it is quite funny to watch

RaohNS is quite funny to watch.

It's easy to see why people lap that kind of crap up though. Maybe they want to feel special by convincing themselves of some crazy alternative viewpoints. A couple of my mates are exactly like that and I can give them the most logical explanation on many of their concerns yet they'll still never be convinced out of their paranoia. The pot smoking lunatics.

If people can be different or "out there" with their views then I think they see themselves as special. Sadly it usually just means they're just clueless on the matters that they feel qualified to rant about.

 

[RoboCod]

Unconfirmed:

Surely this is where someone says FALSE FLAG!!...?

Oh no, it's not America doing something. Disregard.

 

[RoboCod]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-air-strikes-against-daesh#history

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...t/raf-air-strikes-in-iraq-and-syria-july-2017

Oh sorry, all those bombings against Daesh targets must be the "token airstrikes" you were on about

False flag.
Fake news.
You're being programmed.

 

[RoboCod]

22 terrorists in four months is hardly a serious fight against Daesh in Syria.

22 by the UK. Just goes to show we're not targeting just any runt on the ground, but ISIS command with precise munitions. Mind you,if the number was 2222, you'd be bleating that we're blood thirsty tyrants wasting tax payers money dropping so many bombs. Either way, more moot rambling from russiabot.

In any case, all these numbers are impossible to verify.

Disregard then, it's all fake news.

 

[RoboCod]

That's without even taking into account we only voted to extend operations into Syria, and only eastern Syria iirc, in Dec 15, our focus was still on tackling IS in Iraq. The ROE that the RAF was under, ie: no civilian casualties, of which there had been none reported in this 1000 IS deaths. And since this is guerrilla warfare, where the militants either blend in civilian areas and certainly don't stand round in large armed forces with targets on their head or as people love to keep pointing out, use civilians as human shields, then all of a sudden it becomes blindingly obvious why there isn't masses of IS casualties from airstrikes.

But no, lets just latch on to a number (without the slightest thought or context of what that number represents) and think it shows we're actually in bed with ISIS.... notwithstanding the same people criticise the west when they kill civilians as collateral damage in attacks are now criticising them for not killing civilians as collateral damage...

Damned if do, damned if don't. It's futile debating with the shillbots. Mind you, it's not like the shillbots are offering much of a counter argument, they seem to be firmly in the ignoring me mode. Nonetheless, that doesn't bother me and I'll continue to post counter points because despite me not caring what delusion shillbot actually wants to push, I'd like to think the majority of normal forum dwellers can identify fantasy Vs reality.

 

[RoboCod]

The Syrian civil war is a messy, local conflict between primitive, barbarian Arab tribesmen. It has nothing to do with the West, and we should stay the hell out of it.

But what about ISIS? Should they have been left to it?

 

[RoboCod]

What are your views on these other people's opinions that you have reposted? @Danny75

 

[RoboCod]

. It is an interesting discussion .

It isn't.

 

[RoboCod]

I actually find it interesting.

The topic is interesting. The discussion, due to certain participants, is not.

 

[RoboCod]

/Post and run

http://www.warfare.today/2017/04/04/operation-shader-britains-war-in-iraq-and-syria/

https://www.forces.net/news/three-years-op-shader-1500-airstrikes-against-islamic-state

Clearly ISIS supporters

 

[RoboCod]

Army of Islam was the last group to remain, there was reports, that a lot of the group wanted to take the first deals offered by Syria/Russia but the hardcore members rejected that and executed them.

In the end, a deal was worked out and the Army of Islam and their families plus others who didn't want to stay was evacuated to northern Syria in a deal made with the Syrian and Russian governments.

All the other groups took the deals at the beginning.

Survivors, displaced civilians from Douma and prisoners that the Army of Islam held was moved to safe camps, I presume to rehouse at a later date.

Douma is now free.

Strange, I thought the pro Assad posters would be very much against Russia/Syria cutting deals with so called head hackers? (Rebel = Terrorist?).

 

[RoboCod]

Word is they held plenty of hostages, which they used to build the tunnels. Playing Devil's advocate - if Assad later doesn't stick to the deal and prevents them getting buses out (as was documented in footage), and instead captures or kills them, other groups around Syria may not spare any hostages next time.

I expect a similar uproar from your fellow agenda pushers when the West did this. McBrains outrage is particularly interesting.

Strangley, back in November, no one said "if the West doesn't stick to the deal and prevents them getting buses out and instead captures or kills them, other groups around Syria may not spare any hostages next time."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/raqqas_dirty_secret

How come this lot didn't get wiped out mid convoy, i don't care what deal was done, it is like they are allowed to get away to come back at another time, when they are needed imo.

Because "we" are on the side of ISIS. Its blatantly obvious.

Its a disgrace what the UK has become. Look at who has to gain by ISIS being around. It ain't Assad.

Good thing Russia came in.

Just read that myself, disgraceful they allowed the fighters to leave, should've been wiped out.

 

[RoboCod]

Yes, that's the one thing Bush Sr. did wrong.

Listening to Dannat on radio 4 the other day he was saying we ought to have just sided with Assad and supported him in sorting his nation out back in 2011. I'm almost inclined to agree but we are where we are.

 

[RoboCod]

I agree with your sentiment in general, but it should be pointed out that Russia invaded Georgia in response to Georgia's invasion of South Ossetia (direct parallels can be drawn to the UN coalition attacking Iraq over it's invasion of Kuwait), the airliner was shot down by Ukraine pro-Russian rebels (who while no doubt in league with Russia almost certainly did it by accident) and lastly while the Syrian regime is quite reprehensibly it's still the least reprehensible group vying for control of Syria.

Russia shot it down.