ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

"Worthy of a drone strike" Love it :) The term DRONE STRIKE has so much stigma with it doesn't it? What about the cruise missiles, artillery, fast air and general skirmishing going on every day? Nah, not bothered about that.
 
I think you would have to be extremely naive to believe that Russians are just targeting ISIS.

Russians are and will bomb everything and anything that is a threat to Assad including ISIS.

It is a possibility that once Russians settle down, move in equipment such as AA missiles and create multi-layered Air Defence dome over Syria consisting of S-300/400, Buks, fighter jets like SU-30. That they might shut down the air-space to Nato and Israel, because after all, no one authorized NATO or Israel to be present in Syrian air-space and essentially Syria has full right to shoot down those aircraft.

Is this a good thing overall?? Well, not really, however, we in West do not really have a good track record of removing dictators in middle east in past decade and improving life of people as result of it... I mean look at Libya, that went pretty well didnt it.
 
areksnumbr1sxylady said:
It is a possibility that once Russians settle down, move in equipment such as AA missiles and create multi-layered Air Defence dome over Syria consisting of S-300/400, Buks, fighter jets like SU-30. That they might shut down the air-space to Nato and Israel, because after all, no one authorized NATO or Israel to be present in Syrian air-space and essentially Syria has full right to shoot down those aircraft.
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Russian Su-30MKI's chased some Israeli F-15's out of Syrian airspace a few days ago, they were on the far side so had to run into Lebanon which annoyed the Lebanese lol.
 
jl10000 said:
Certainly is a good yarn, when is the Tom Clancy book coming out? I'm struggling to match up your previous comment with the article.
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I don't understand - are you actually denying that this happened?

jl10000 said:
But who control those areas? Many of them are 'insurgents', many of them are what the US would consider worthy of a drone strike. Dozens of different groups are in those areas, perhaps the Peoples Front of Judea will make an appearance? How they can be lumped into one group and called 'moderate rebels' is beyond me. The US has already made huge mistakes by helping the wrong groups who turn out to be the enemy, seeing fighters it has trained capitulate to ISIS or Al Qaeda along with equipment. Many rebel groups were targeted by Al Qaeda for getting support from the US, the whole thing is a total failure and the notion of a Syrian rebel army that controls large areas of the country seems far fetched at best. Russia will bomb all of them anyway, whether they are "moderate" or "Jihadist lunatics", they are all enemies of Assad.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34278233

http://www.ibtimes.com/four-years-later-free-syrian-army-has-collapsed-1847116
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Yup, the whole of Syria is a mess. The only thing I'm sure of is that Assad's regime have committed the most crimes against humanity, followed (although not closely) by the Islamic State. The people of Syria are suffering and Russia has decided to back the side that is causing most of the suffering.
 
scorza said:
I don't understand - are you actually denying that this happened?
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Depends what you mean by "this", if you mean that an arms dealer offered to sell enemies of the US radioactive material to make a bomb with but was caught before it could go further then no because that's fact.

If you mean that he actually had the material to supply in the alleged quantities and that Russia was somehow involved then no because that's fiction.

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It seems the Russians have been shadowing the drones the US sends to Syria:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/1...-us-predator-drones-over-syria-officials-say/

Makes sense, because if Putin did decide to take things to the next level and exclude the US from Syrian airspace then shooting down some drones would be a great opener as it would make a big statement to the USAF without actually hurting any Americans.
 
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I saw some footage this morning of the "Free Syrian Army" chanting Allahu Akbar like madmen as they shot up some up Syrian tanks with US supplied anti tank weaponry. If that's classed as moderate I'm surprised IS can even come together without killing one another.
 
mmj_uk said:
I saw some footage this morning of the "Free Syrian Army" chanting Allahu Akbar like madmen as they shot up some up Syrian tanks with US supplied anti tank weaponry.
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It's not like it means "death to all white men" or anything, it roughly translates as "praise god" hence why they use it as a cry of victory (thanking for or asking for deliverance).
 
ubersonic said:
It's not like it means "death to all white men" or anything, it roughly translates as "praise god" hence why they use it as a cry of victory (thanking for or asking for deliverance).
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My point is if it hadn't been pointed out that they were from the so called Free Syrian Army you'd have just assumed they were IS from the way they behaved. Do the two groups have different uniforms or wear badges so we know which is which? if there's some kind of moderacy test then all IS members have to do is act moderately enough to pass it and we'll arm them.

Buddy said:

I don't think this has been posted.
Refreshing. "Rise above the endless desire to dominate"
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His UN speech was good also.

 
scorza said:
I've seen no evidence that Russia, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are taking action against the Islamic State. So it's even more messy than you think.
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well russia needs to secure syria, FSA are in the way and not exactly the good guys the west make them out to be.

How can the syrian army go fight isis if FSA are attacking them en-route ?
 
deuse said:
Bombing the **** out of the Islamic scum(IS).
The UK\EURO\USA are a bit like a girly man.
Where as Putin is like les grossman :)
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The West was bombing ISIS before Putin even got a plane off the ground (France carried out the first strikes during the third week of September). So Putin is very late to the party.

Anyway, Putin isn't even attacking ISIS; he's attacking the Free Syrian Army. Meanwhile, the Russian-backed ISIS terrorists are now openly training new recruits from their biggest sponsor:

Islamic State is training militants from Russia in Afghanistan as part of its efforts to expand into Central Asia, a senior Russian diplomat told a security conference in Moscow. He added that US and UK passport holders are among the instructors.

“There are several camps operated by [Islamic State, previously ISIS/ISIL, in Afghanistan] that train people from Central Asia and some regions of Russia. They speak Russian there,” said Zamir Kabulov, President Putin’s special representative for Afghanistan
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(Source).

This helps to explain why Russia is being so careful to avoid hitting ISIS targets in Syria. Putin doesn't want to bomb his own guys! ;)
 
arknor said:
well russia needs to secure syria, FSA are in the way and not exactly the good guys the west make them out to be.

How can the syrian army go fight isis if FSA are attacking them en-route ?
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How are the Syrian army going to fight the Islamic State if they can't even beat the poorly armed/equipped rebels on their front line? Besides, the Syrian regime are definitely not the good guys in this, they're the worst of a very bad lot (yes, even worse than IS - they just don't upload videos of their torture/murders to ********).
 
scorza said:
Besides, the Syrian regime are definitely not the good guys in this, they're the worst of a very bad lot (yes, even worse than IS - they just don't upload videos of their torture/murders to ********).
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There are plenty of Syrian regime torture videos on ********.

* Syrian Army torturing its own soldiers
* Syrian Army torturing civilian (warning: *very graphic*)
 
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