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LOL the amount of rubbish being reported on this is getting ridiculous - multiple articles talking about things like "Russian missile destroyers bristling with Tomahawks", Russian IFVs used in images supposedly depicting US forces, etc. LOL.
 
Rroff said:
LOL the amount of rubbish being reported on this is getting ridiculous - multiple articles talking about things like "Russian missile destroyers bristling with Tomahawks", Russian IFVs used in images supposedly depicting US forces, etc. LOL.
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Source?
 
I'm curious what happens if even indirectly this becomes Turkey and Russia significantly on different sides - does Turkey close the Bosphorus to Russian shipping? and how would Russia react.
 
Rroff said:
I'm curious what happens if even indirectly this becomes Turkey and Russia significantly on different sides - does Turkey close the Bosphorus to Russian shipping? and how would Russia react.
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Why would that even be an issue? They only care about soft genociding the Kurds...
 
StriderX said:
Why would that even be an issue? They only care about soft genociding the Kurds...
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Operations in the North of Syria are going to test where Turkey and Syria regime (and by extension Russian) interests come together. Sometimes in these situations it only takes one miscalculation or developments where neither side can compromise or be reconciled with to make for a much more hostile stand off.
 
Minusorange said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45404086

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45407401

I wonder what will happen
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The Kremlin response.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...mp-warning-on-syrias-idlib-idUSKCN1LK11D?il=0

President Trump tweet is what you expect from the US side of things, they just preparing the ground, if you look at other high profile accounts, they also repeating the same line, they all playing by the same book.

Media have been talking about Idlib and the chemical weapons none stop.

The Idlib offensive is going to happen, these Air Strikes and Artillery strikes is just softening the enemy up for the ground assault.

Did you notice the difference in the tweet? From "Animal Assad" to "President Bashar al-Assad of Syria". Pretty big change.

A lot of people are 100% sure a false flag CW is going to happen and will be blamed on Syria, an interesting thing to note. the "White Helmets" are in Idilb. Qatari and Jordanian have seen to turned against them and accused of them having terrorist links.

 
https://webcache.googleusercontent....rovided-light-weapons-to-Syrian-rebels-566479

The Israeli army has admitted, for the first time, that it provided large amounts of cash, weapons and ammunition to Syrian rebels in the Golan Heights.
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While the IDF maintains that it was not intervening in Syria’s civil war, on Monday it confirmed that as part of Operation Good Neighbor Israel had been regularly supplying Syrian rebels near its border with light weapons and ammunition in order to defend themselves from attacks and a substantial amount of cash to buy additional arms.


Through Operation Good Neighbor, which was launched in 2016 the Israeli military had provided over 1524 tons of food, 250 tons of clothes, 947,520 liters of fuel, 21 generators, 24,900 palettes of medical equipment and medicine.

Reports first surfaced of Israel providing arms and cash to rebel groups several years ago, with the regime of Bashar Assad claiming that Israel had been providing arms to terror groups and its forces had regularly seized arms and munitions with inscriptions in Hebrew.

According to reports Israel had been arming at least seven different rebel groups in Syria’s Golan Heights, including the Fursan al-Joulan rebel group which had around 400 fighters and had been given an estimated $5,000 per month by Israel.

“Israel stood by our side in a heroic way,” the group's spokesperson, Moatasem al-Golani, told the The Wall Street Journal in a January 2017 report. “We wouldn't have survived without Israel's assistance.”

The army believes that the decision to provide weapons and cash to the rebel groups along the border with Israel’s Golan Heights was the right decision.

Israel’s aim in providing the weapons and cash to rebel groups throughout Operation Good Neighbor which shut down once the Assad regime retook control of the Golan Heights in July, was to keep troops belonging to Hezbollah and Iran away from Israel’s Golan Heights.

The Syrian army, backed by Russian air power and Iranian backed Shiite militia fighters, have been recapturing large swathes of territory and is now believed to have control over 70% of the war-torn country.

While Syrian troops have once again been deployed to the border with Israel, in order to prevent an escalation between the two enemy countries, Russian military police have been deployed along the Golan Heights border along with UN Peacekeepers.

Israel has warned against Iran’s entrenchment in Syria and has stressed time and again that Syrian soil can not serve as a forward operating base by Iran and that the war-torn country cannot be a waystation for arms smuggling to Hezbollah in Lebanon.

While Israel’s military had been carrying out operation against Iranian targets in Syria for several years, it’s extent only became public after an Israeli Air Force F-16 which was taking part in retaliatory strikes was downed by Syrian air defenses in February.

Last year Former Israel Air Force head Maj.-Gen. (res.) Amir Eshel stated that the IAF carried out 100 airstrikes in Syria over the past five years.

On Monday the military announced that in the past year and half alone, Israel has carried out 202 strikes against Iranian and Hezbollah targets in Syria.
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Original post got deleted, I wonder why. :eek:
 
Minusorange said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45404086

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-45407401

I wonder what will happen
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from that link

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group

haha like that wont be biased

Mr Peskov said the al-Qaeda-linked jihadists dominating Idlib were threatening Russian military bases in Syria and blocking a political solution to the civil war.
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So the al-qaeda linked jihadists are the good guys now and those fighting them are the bad guys, how times have changed lol
 
RaohNS said:
If that's true, another point to the tin foil hatters.
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Every thing apart from the weapons is true. Israel did provide them with humanitarian aid, they did provide them with medical help. They had a field hospital in the Golan Heights where they treated them. Whether if this was direct help for them or indirect help under the cover of humanitarian aid is debatable.

Food and equipment and supplies of stuff from Israel have been found in rebel camps after the southern campaign was finished, read into as you will. There could be reasonable answers to how they got it or dirty reasons. I don't hold an opinion, but it does raise a eyebrow.

The weapons, now that is new. Did they or didn't they? Many suspected they did, I don't hold an opinion myself, since I don't know enough to make an judgement.

But I do find it interesting that a Jewish news paper posted this and then deleted it afterwards.
 
Dis86 said:
I can make crazy claims too!
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Don't we know it

IronWarrior said:
Every thing apart from the weapons is true. Israel did provide them with humanitarian aid, they did provide them with medical help. They had a field hospital in the Golan Heights where they treated them. Whether if this was direct help for them or indirect help under the cover of humanitarian aid is debatable.

Food and equipment and supplies of stuff from Israel have been found in rebel camps after the southern campaign was finished, read into as you will. There could be reasonable answers to how they got it or dirty reasons. I don't hold an opinion, but it does raise a eyebrow.

The weapons, now that is new. Did they or didn't they? Many suspected they did, I don't hold an opinion myself, since I don't know enough to make an judgement.

But I do find it interesting that a Jewish news paper posted this and then deleted it afterwards.
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Indeed. Again, to stress: This is always the way with intelligence agencies in general. They create a simulacra of opposition, but are passing things under the table.

It would not surprise me if news were to start emerging of China beginning to do the same despite a non-interventionist/imperialist policy
 
IronWarrior said:
The weapons, now that is new. Did they or didn't they? Many suspected they did, I don't hold an opinion myself, since I don't know enough to make an judgement.
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Not particularly new - some of those groups with their backs to the Golan suddenly acquired heavy weapons awhile back that they certainly didn't get via Syria - at the very least Israel turned a blind eye to their supply.
 
RaohNS said:
Don't we know it



Indeed. Again, to stress: This is always the way with intelligence agencies in general. They create a simulacra of opposition, but are passing things under the table.

It would not surprise me if news were to start emerging of China beginning to do the same despite a non-interventionist/imperialist policy
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China non-imperialist?

You realise they are slowly taking over the African continent right?
 
So whats the plan completely flatten Idlib just like the rest of the country? Don't Turkey already have camps near the city at max capacity...
I do not get the end goal here, How on earth are they going to recover after this all ends?
 
iamtheoneneo said:
So whats the plan completely flatten Idlib just like the rest of the country? Don't Turkey already have camps near the city at max capacity...
I do not get the end goal here, How on earth are they going to recover after this all ends?
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The amount of heavy military hardware and manpower descending on Idlib from all directions is crazy - not quite sure how this is going to pan out or who is really aligned with whom, etc. heh - if it went down battle royale style it would be an absolute blood bath.
 
XeNoN89 said:
China non-imperialist?

You realise they are slowly taking over the African continent right?
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I've known it since before you were posting. My message being around imperialism having a fundamental need to have multiple military bases and force ready to fly.
 
Yeah, I don't how the assault on Idlib is going to happen.

Lots of people suggest it's going to be a long blood bath while others think it would be a short but bloody battle while others are suggesting that it might end quickly because it's full of groups who already surrendered before (those who got bussed out), their morale must already be destroyed.

There is dissent there for sure, the groups have been killing people who want to make peace.
 
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