ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

[dowie]

So the radicalisation comes from where?
a) corrupt religious leaders
b) internet groups and propaganda
c) feeling segregated and attacked

you don't need the religious leaders to be corrupt in order for them to be radical - they can be quite sincere in their beliefs

yes material on the internet can radicalise people

but in this instance I'm referring to being locked up with a bunch of people already radicalised when you're on the edge - that can probably do more damage in terms of radicalising those individuals than internet videos or even hate preachers

 

[NickK]

you don't need the religious leaders to be corrupt in order for them to be radical - they can be quite sincere in their beliefs

yes material on the internet can radicalise people

but in this instance I'm referring to being locked up with a bunch of people already radicalised when you're on the edge - that can probably do more damage in terms of radicalising those individuals than internet videos or even hate preachers

That's true.

 

[RoboCod]

I personally think our foreign policy has been absolutely disgraceful and murderous since 2001. I also find many aspects of Islam regressive and see no good use for them in our society.

I'm sure the majority of the populous are in my position. I honestly think it's just a waiting game, holding strong and ensuring an alternative narrative is kept centre and front.

Interesting that you class our foreign policy as disgraceful and murderous, yet aspects of Islam just "no good".

 

[Dj_Jestar]

robocod in "twisting words like a willow branch" shocker.

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Diego Garcia.

South Georgia.

 

[MacMiniBoy]

South Georgia.

Mordor!

well it is technically british

 

[Danthus]

So the radicalisation comes from where?
a) corrupt religious leaders
b) internet groups and propaganda
c) feeling segregated and attacked

The problem is people self radicalise, people who have never come to the attention of any of the security services.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

you don't need the religious leaders to be corrupt in order for them to be radical - they can be quite sincere in their beliefs

yes material on the internet can radicalise people

but in this instance I'm referring to being locked up with a bunch of people already radicalised when you're on the edge - that can probably do more damage in terms of radicalising those individuals than internet videos or even hate preachers

This. It's not just the internment either, that's arguably a quicker line to radicalisation due to the increased exposure to Islamist elements, however it's pretty well accepted that any blanket punishment has the effect of promoting disenfranchisement and pushing the fringes towards radicalisation.

It's the reason why so many security/terrorism commentators seemed to be cautioning against the idea of imposing curfews within the suburbs of Paris.

 

[Danthus]

I see the US troops have been adding messages to bombs again "From Paris with love".

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...es-ISIS-targets-From-Paris-with-love-missiles

Before people get concerned with carpet bombing - the JDAM bomb has front and back fins attached with guidance systems like Paveways. You can go GPS or point a laser at your favourite terrorist.

It still has the potential to kill civilians.

 

[Dis86]

It still has the potential to kill civilians.

So does a penny.

 

[K1LLSW1TCH]

It still has the potential to kill civilians.

Yep but they aren't being deliberately fired at civilians.

 

[Hitman_Leon]

It still has the potential to kill civilians.

Indeed.

Yep but they aren't being deliberately fired at civilians.

Indeed.

So does a penny.

Behave!

 

[Danthus]

Yep but they aren't being deliberately fired at civilians.

I am sure that will be a huge relief to the families of the dead people.

 

[Dis86]

Indeed.



Indeed.



Behave!

I fail to see why I need to behave? Many objects when used incorrectly can kill an innocent. A bomb, a bullet, a knife, a penny, a piece of string.

In fact in the UK last year more injuries were caused by pennies than bombs.

The fact is the munitions used are some of the best available, extremely accurate. Unfortunately in war zones no matter how accurate a weapon, if citizens remain there will be accidents, often due to human error.
Isis started the war, in doing so they have chosen to occupy civilian populate areas knowing the likely outcome. I'd argue that civilian casualties are at their feet and the blood on their hands.

Western weapons are developed to minimise civilian casualties, isis invite them.

 

[The Funktopus]

Find myself wondering what Anonymous could actually do in practical terms following their declaration of war on IS, apart from hijacking their social media accounts of course. I can't really see IS's core in Iraq and Syria being dependent on the Internet for much at all, limiting their exposure to cyber attacks.

Indeed, one of the big successes the coalition has had has stemmed from IS being dependent on moving large amounts of physical cash to pay it's fighters, with air and drone strikes in particular targeting IS vehicles moving money, resulting in Jihadists deserting for other Islamist groups when their pay went up in flames.

 

[Raz]

Isis started the war, in doing so they have chosen to occupy civilian populate areas knowing the likely outcome. I'd argue that civilian casualties are at their feet and the blood on their hands.

Western weapons are developed to minimise civilian casualties, isis invite them.

I agree that ISIS purposely target civilians while Western Forces avoid them but I wouldn't agree that ISIS started the war but we're beyond the point of who started it anyway. It's about how we finish it. And bombing ISIS into oblivion wont help long term because another group, Muslim or otherwise, will simply become the new baddies of the day.

 

[Tunney]

Find myself wondering what Anonymous could actually do in practical terms following their declaration of war on IS

IS wanted 72 virgins so here they are.

 

[Danthus]

I fail to see why I need to behave? Many objects when used incorrectly can kill an innocent. A bomb, a bullet, a knife, a penny, a piece of string.

In fact in the UK last year more injuries were caused by pennies than bombs.

The fact is the munitions used are some of the best available, extremely accurate. Unfortunately in war zones no matter how accurate a weapon, if citizens remain there will be accidents, often due to human error.
Isis started the war, in doing so they have chosen to occupy civilian populate areas knowing the likely outcome. I'd argue that civilian casualties are at their feet and the blood on their hands.

Western weapons are developed to minimise civilian casualties, isis invite them.

Because it gives them the next trance of people willing to become martyrs and fight Jihad.

"The west kills innocent civilians, they are fighting a war, they are killing Muslims, join with us, defend Islam, fight the oppressive western forces".

You clearly have no idea how IS are recruiting people.

 

[Buddy]

IS wanted 72 virgins so here they are.

Pahahahaha!
Brilliant

 

[Dis86]

Because it gives them the next trance of people willing to become martyrs and fight Jihad.

"The west kills innocent civilians, they are fighting a war, they are killing Muslims, join with us, defend Islam, fight the oppressive western forces".

You clearly have no idea how IS are recruiting people.

How IS are hoping to recruit. They're using human shields. Human shields don't join those that try to sacrifice them, provided they've got half a brain.