ISIL, ISIS, Daesh discussion thread.

Kenai said:
Of course they're 'at risk'. The same as you are at risk of being hit by a bus tomorrow. Risk is unavoidable.

They'll either be at risk of collateral bombing damage, or being shot/exploded/executed/whatever by a radical lunatic. There is not a 'no risk' solution for Syria and it's population.

However, we can show that we've made a damn good effort at mitigating that risk for well over a year now, employing this methodology of air strikes and to our knowledge, haven't caused a single civilian casualty as a result.

Trying to obfuscate the issue by waffling about ground troops shooting people 10 years ago is pointless and does nothing but undermine any legitimacy there is to your anti-bombing stance.
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I think it's mainly because a lot of people who object don't actually give a flying **** about the Syrian people dying or not. They only really seem to care about objecting, whether it be to our government or just anyone else of a differing opinion and having a bloody good argument about it in the process.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
If you honestly believe that NO innocent civilians are going to be or have been killed during the relentless bombing of Syria then maybe I can interest you in some super magic beans I have for sale!!!
Who's telling you this? The same people that said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction?? lawl please :rolleyes:
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No one has claimed there will be no civilian casualties because that would require a crystal ball.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
I'm talking about everybody who is bombing the crap out of Syria.
The UK has spent about 30 BILLION on this war on terror, are we actually any safer ?? Could we have saved more lives if we had spent that money here in the U.K ???
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Yet everyone else here is talking just about the UK bombing Syria. You jumping in feet first about everyone bombing is to just swing the argument on your own agenda.
 
wordy said:
And that's the thing isn't it. Who is going to run things once IS have gone? Assad - a brutal dictator or the rebels - who swap & change sides, are busy fighting amongst themselves & are pretty nasty themselves. None of this seems to have been considered or if it has it seems to have gone no deeper than 'The Sun' newspaper level reasoning.
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According to most of the nay sayers in here, a brutal dictatorship will be welcomed because "that's all them Arabs know, rule with an iron fist". Just look at the comments about Saddam and the opposition to bombing Iraq.

Like I said, I believe many people don't care one iota for the welfare of these people they so claim to protest for. They are more concerned with the opportunity to simply protest and nothing more.
 
hurfdurf said:
We have to be OK with the consequences of our governments actions, such as Paris and 7/7, we are at war.

The West is killing innocents by the thousands, the military drone program is “morally outrageous” and “one of the most devastating driving forces for terrorism and destabilization around the world” according to operators in this NBC special report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1BC0g_PbQ
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The west is killing innocents by the thousands through morally outrageous drone programmes! Innocents.... By the thousands!!
 
hurfdurf said:
Uh... Can you show me where in that post I said it was the coalition?! I didn't say whose bombs they were just showed that civilians are dead. Think you jumped the gun a bit there kid.
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Your own link said coalition forces!! You can't cite the contents of one link (your 2nd to last post) then simply dismiss them in your next :rolleyes: kid.
 
hurfdurf said:
Mayhaps you need to learn to read?
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Rather than point scoring, perhaps just post some more gumpf about the evil West working their policy of terror and execution of innocent people. Or as I said, why are you not also posting about the indirect weapons that the Russians and Syrians are using? It would after all add some balance to your bias.
 
hurfdurf said:
It's hardly point scoring, its showing you that you have completely misinterpreted what I am saying and that I have no bias. You can try and shrug me proving you off as point scoring but lets face reality here, you were wrong, why don't you just man up and admit that instead of doubling down on something that you have just been proven wrong about, its the more grown up thing to do.
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Twaddle. It's clear what your intentions are with your outrageous posts about the coalition allegedly killing thousands of innocents. I'm not into posting rubbish and claiming to know something I actually know what I'm talking about. Now I'm challenging you on this you are simply back peddling.

Either post something founded and true or just don't post at all.
 
B&W said:
Fact of the matter is bombs are killing civilians and combatants. Russia or America don't matter who dropped then.

The former will just multiply the latter. Ten years we ain't learnt ****.
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Seeing as we don't seem to be citing any information that Russia are doing anything untoward then it would seem just to ignore the US effort as well and discuss our countries efforts alone then, which seems to be what most people in this thread are doing anyway. So therefore I ask anyone, provide me the information that the UK are killing thousands of civilians.
 
hurfdurf said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War#Iraq_Body_Count

The numbers vary widely, but all are in the thousands, with some claiming hundreds of thousands. Pick your source.

You despair because you have been proven wrong over and over, and rather than go back and do some reading, you doubled down in your incorrectness. First you didn't read the BBC link and misquoted what you assumed it said, and were shown to be wrong, now you are denying that thousands have been killed, as well as scoffing at former Air Force airmen who have come forward to say what is happening in an incredibly disrespectful and dismissive way. You are a disgrace to the idea of discussion and it is all too easy to show you how you are wrong every step of the way. You try and dismiss it as point scoring but the reality is, even if it was, it says a lot that i'm the only one with points and you have zero, the same amount of credibility you have in this discussion. Nothing.
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Good lord, you're citing the Iraq body count figures as the west's doing. So yes, I do despair, I really do. The reason I'm not throwing anything into any discussion with you herf is because it would be fruitless. You don't know what you're talking about and you're quoting second hand data from bias sources, further to which you are massively misinterpreting that data. Just because you said I am being proven wrong doesn't make that the case. Yes I'll dismiss whatever I wish, I simply don't care what you think of me. What I do care about is clueless people making the wrong assumptions about what we do. You're one of those people.
 
Although it is quite clear why this thread will often descend into a Muslim bashing thread, can we try and avoid doing that as that is not the intention here. I for one think it is a bigoted notion. Go debate the semantics of religion elsewhere, it's futile anyway.
 
kitch9 said:
Oh, it's bigoted to discuss religion when you discuss ISIS now is it?

"Please don't say things I don't agree with or I'll attempt to shut down the conversation by calling everyone racist."

Ok.
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So Racist = Bigoted now.

I never knew!


NO, it's bigoted to be bigoted. To bash all Muslims. Which is what you are doing.
 
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