ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders

weringo said:
I know it's not Sky's fault. If they decided to air it on the same day (would have to be 6 or so hours ahead in the UK to time zone) then I don't see a problem, why would the producers/yanks go off it?
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If they done that they would be showing the program in the middle of the night.

Instead they have to decide on a time that they think would be best for showing it.

For Sky as an example with Season 3 the US it was shown on a Monday, and Sky showed it the following Sunday.

The US now show it on a Friday, which is perfect for Sky One, as they can show it on the Sunday as they did behind the US.

I cant find it at the min but there is a Wiki and a few other sites the have details about it all that ie for us the UK have to show the progs after it has been show in the UK.

The time zone 6-8 hours between the US and UK would mean if they it was aired even a few hours after them would mean they would air in through the night,
 
weringo said:
I meant show it before the US, show it at 10pm in the UK when it's 4pm on the east coast. Either do that or show it in the UK on the following day (but im not sure Sky will be happy showing it on a Friday).
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That is what i was trying to say they cant show it before the US, they have to show after the US has seen it. No matter how much one of the channels in the UK pay - notice they always show a program after the US as seen it.
 
Hmm I don't really think this will affect things much (thanks for the plus net article link - reading between the lines i really think they do not want copyrighted material banned on their network).

The main thing as said that would severly hinder this if not stop it completly would be encryption.
If we look at the 2 main P2P technologies- Newsgroups and Torrents we already see effective encryption systems that are mainly not used. Newsgroup servers are starting to offer encryption now so this hole is being closed as more people will take it up if this law gets into the House of Commons. So if newsgroup downloading of copy righted files is to be stopped then going after the servers themselves will be 'their' next 'goal'.
If we next look at torrents, Utorrent is probably one of the main clients used and that has good encryption built in to but, it is default to turned off. The makers need to simply release a new version with it defaulted to on (this would cause a few other problems but, we won't get into that) then again this could make it a lot harder to track what is going on via torrents.

There are also simple technologies out their that ill block recording studios and others from even connecting to you as a 'sharer' so they cant subpoena the ISP in the first place. (This doesn't deal with ISP's actively monitoring you tho)

This law is only at the consultancy stage at the moment and I hope the MP's are consulting with a broad range of ISP's because if they do I am sure they will realise how truly unfeasable this is at least in the long term and cost wise

So before the record companies even win this 'battle' the P2P technologies are already evolving to the next battle. It looks bleak as to whether or not with their current strategy of going after downloaders that they will actually ever win. If the time and effort spent into stopping this was placed into solving the direct causes of P2P copright downloading: Cost, Time Release, Ease of availability. Then the recording companies would probably be earning more money.
 
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Apparently internet downloading has helped the movie industry in "word of mouth" promotion of films...

Internet downloading will not stop me going to the cinema... If there is a film I want to see then I will pay to see it. Going to the cinema is a day/night out.. have something to eat see a movie etc!!

The music business needs to change and embrace the way the digital world operates now, but its stubbornness to find alternative ways to deliver its music to the consumer has cost them dearly..Mind you, most people I know no longer listen to new music sang by icky pop groups that are just out of primary school.. Gimme some Toto and some Foreigner 4tw.. 60-70-80's-early 90's... you can keep the rest!!
 
My opinion is if the record companys dropped the price of cd's to compete with the internet there wouldn't be such a big problem, it costs what, 19p for them to produce one cd? Then even in the supermarkets they charge at least £5.
 
I like how the "damage to the music industry" is also a priority for ISPs above that of fraudsters, nigerian scammers, identity theft, ebay theft, viruses, spam mail etc. Maybe they need to look at those first.
 
sniper007 said:
I like how the "damage to the music industry" is also a priority for ISPs above that of fraudsters, nigerian scammers, identity theft, ebay theft, viruses, spam mail etc. Maybe they need to look at those first.
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Erm, it is not the job of an ISP to prevent you getting scammed, infected with a virus or suchlike, that is down to the user.
 
slowrunner said:
My opinion is if the record companys dropped the price of cd's to compete with the internet there wouldn't be such a big problem, it costs what, 19p for them to produce one cd? Then even in the supermarkets they charge at least £5.
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Material production costs are not the only cost in creating content.

With regards to forcing producers to lower their prices, piracy isn't the solution to that (it still shows demand, and leads to the situation we have now). A much better solution would be that people simply stopped consuming until the cost comes down.
 
I only pay for music if it's a local band to be honest.
I don't really mind about paying for music if i have to, doesn't mean i want to.

I don't reckon it'll go through though, too much work to be done on the isp's part.
 
Jihad said:
My newsgroup is SSL encrypted, I'm not worried.
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You should be, most ISPs have the equipment and ability inspite of your encryption. Traffic profiling is as effective as content inspection and nice and easy to do with the right equipment (which most decent sized ISPs have already)
 
bigredshark said:
You should be, most ISPs have the equipment and ability inspite of your encryption. Traffic profiling is as effective as content inspection and nice and easy to do with the right equipment (which most decent sized ISPs have already)
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I think you overestimate the knowledge, expertise and equipment available to said ISPs in order to make this proposal work.
 
sniper007 said:
I think you overestimate the knowledge, expertise and equipment available to said ISPs in order to make this proposal work.
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Well seeing as I work for an ISP, we have the equipment and I have the ability and then some, I'd disagree.

We're by no means the biggest ISP about and we're business focused, so the equipment that consumer ISPs have is generally even more advanced than ours.
 
isp companys dont care what you dl.its when they get threats from the owners material you dl that they get cross. thats when you get a warning or if you dl to much monthly.youll still get two warnings before final removal.
 
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