ISPs to be ordered to boot illegal downloaders

SpeedFreak said:
Charge what people are willing to pay and people will not steal as much.
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So if I feel that the value of a loaf of bread, which has no repeat value and I will eat only once, is only 20p then it's reasonable to hide a few under the jacket in the supermarket because they want to charge a pound?

Don't get me wrong, I feel that games and DVD's are grossly overpriced but I don't think that gives me the right to download them illegally.

Openoffice is pretty good though :D
 
SpeedFreak said:
Avast is free as is openoffice, usually uni's have extended licenses for students to install required software, at least mine did for computational software.
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I'd like to see the reply on a interviewer's face

Interviewer "We need the candidate to be experienced in Microsoft Operating systems, Abode Photoshop, 3D Studio Max, Windows Server"

Interviewee "Erm I'm experienced in Paint Shop Pro and Linux"
 
dod said:
Quick question. How many on here are running pirated software? It's almost certainly available legally in this country now. Bearing that in mind I'm not sure that the "availablility" argument is valid.

Maybe it is just a cost issue?
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You think if downloading was impossible I would pay £600 for Photoshop? Or go to the cinema every day?

It's obvious from the figures that if downloading was impossible people would simply go largely without. There isn't even concrete evidence that file-sharing hurts music sales; there are studies on both sides of the argument.
 
Soviet said:
As Gilly has said it's not the end-user's fault program episodes like LOST are released late over here. This kinda thing drives people to download the episodes instead of waiting (or if you're a Virgin Media user like me, not be able to see at all).

If corporations want to come up with a way for us to have content the same time as it's released in say the US and at a fair price then I'm all for it, until then.. *pats SSL Usenet connection*:)
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Completely agree with that, I pay for my Sky subscription and would gladly watch Lost on my telly if it wasn't for the fact I can watch it 3 days earlier by downloading it.

TV programme producers clearly aren't the brightest people around, they're losing millions in advertisement revenue because they show TV shows in the US before anywhere else.
 
dod said:
So if I feel that the value of a loaf of bread, which has no repeat value and I will eat only once, is only 20p then it's reasonable to hide a few under the jacket in the supermarket because they want to charge a pound?

Don't get me wrong, I feel that games and DVD's are grossly overpriced but I don't think that gives me the right to download them illegally.

Openoffice is pretty good though :D
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That's not what I'm saying. My point is, if your prices are prohibitively high, people will steal. The only thing studios have to determine is why their prices are so high. If it is so they can make 50% profit on every dvd sold then their margins are too high. If they are making 10%, it's because they spent too much money on producing yet another unoriginal remake ie/Indiana Jones, Rambo, Oceans 11/12/13 etc..etc...

OpenOffice=90% MS Office at 0% of the price, it's an easy choice, whether it's from my business account or not :)
 
stevenazari1 said:
well tbh as a programming student I dont know how they expect me to shell out 400 on adobe software, 100 on microsoft office, 800 or so on 3d max, 50 quid on frontpage express, 50 on antivirus software and the rest. If I was in full time employment sure I would but not a chance as a student.
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a clever soul once said
'theres a reason photoshop is industry standard'
Do you think it would be industry standard if everyone guy and their dad didnt have it at home on their computer? The reason the programs like this are priced so highly is because they make sure everyone gets a hold of it, learns howto use it, so it becomes industry standard, then they tear all their profits out of the big businesses who have no option but to legally aquire the software due to all staff using etc and it being the industry standard.
As students you shouldnt worry about the software so much, they dont expect you to shell out for it, because if you use it now it means later in life whoever you work for is going to be paying for it instead.

Its much like MS Office being standard, Iv yet to come across anywhere that doesnt have it, this is heavily down to the fact everyone grew up using PIRATED versions of it mostly :)
 
weringo said:
Completely agree with that, I pay for my Sky subscription and would gladly watch Lost on my telly if it wasn't for the fact I can watch it 3 days earlier by downloading it.

TV programme producers clearly aren't the brightest people around, they're losing millions in advertisement revenue because they show TV shows in the US before anywhere else.
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Thats not Skys fault though, as from what i read a while ago from the agreement they have to show the episodes a few days (or a week) from when the US air the program.

Imagine if Sky air a US show ahead of the US air time - the producers etc (and the yanks) would go off it.
 
wish someone would take the risk and release their show primarily on the web, supported by ads.. imagine that? Giving people the higher resolution download and faster download speed they want.
 
peetee said:
wish someone would take the risk and release their show primarily on the web, supported by ads.. imagine that? Giving people the higher resolution download and faster download speed they want.
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For that to happen though, the ISP's over here are going to have to seriously rethink their draconian "fair" usage policies.
 
Spinal2k2 said:
Thats not Skys fault though, as from what i read a while ago from the agreement they have to show the episodes a few days (or a week) from when the US air the program.

Imagine if Sky air a US show ahead of the US air time - the producers etc (and the yanks) would go off it.
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I know it's not Sky's fault. If they decided to air it on the same day (would have to be 6 or so hours ahead in the UK to time zone) then I don't see a problem, why would the producers/yanks go off it?
 
I think for music we need more sites like last.fm and more artists/bands promoting their music via non-downloadable previews. The last few albums i've bought have been solely due to previews I've listened to on last.fm and myspace. This is obviously heavily reliant on the reformation of how record labels operate and distribute music. Not sure how profitable their approach is but magnatune is a great example of how I think music should be distributed.

As always there will always be people who download music illegally without exception, but I seriously believe if more reasonable legal options are provided, those who truely love their music will opt for that instead of p2p.
 
WotDa said:
Since when have the BBC been an ISP?

Strapping DRM to a program that only people in the 'UK' can download is a very different kettle of fish.
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never, was referring to an agreement between the ISPs and the BBC to not throttle media being streamed via iplayer.
 
weringo said:
I know it's not Sky's fault. If they decided to air it on the same day (would have to be 6 or so hours ahead in the UK to time zone) then I don't see a problem, why would the producers/yanks go off it?
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think the US networks pay a premium and have the right to air it exclusively 1st, its a bit stupid really though, because its not like the downloads ever leave the adverts etc in, or that we care. And its not like the yanks will bother downloading it, it would be a lower res and probably would not even finish in 6hours(when the swarms start they tend to be a bit jam packed dont they)
 
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