Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Deleted member 68110]

The lady even confirms there were no fighters in the building, but if course the biggots and Israeli far right will say there were.

The people condoning Israel's actions would be exactly those, who, were this to happen to them, would go out to get revenge just like Hamas fighters presumably felt they were doing.

The sad thing about all these events is that it isn't Israelis vs Palestinians, it's [that subset of Israelis who are ****s] vs [that subset of Palestinians who are ****s]. And broadly speaking, the commentators who refuse to acknowledge that are [that subset of ****s within whichever group they're sat].

It's not a case of "The Israelis should be wiped out" or "The Palestinians should be wiped out". It's a case of "All ****s should be wiped out." - and the UK is not excluded from this.

 

[Thekwango]

If they did it really really well, like 100% eradication of those that want to genocide them, yes?

the only way this works is if all life, everywhere, is wiped out.

 

[Deleted member 68110]

This is just another example of a completely avoidable blunder by the BBC - if it was funded by advertising or subscriptions I’d care less but it’s not (yet).

Not really though, is it?

The only people who consider it a blunder are the people who wanted the BBC destroyed long before today - It's just that they saw babies had been killed and their instinctive response was, "Ooo, there's a point-scoring opportunity to further our agenda."

Who seriously is so lacking in emotional intelligence (GB News audience, I know) that they read, "Militants killed babies" and need to see the word "terrorists" before they can determine if that's a bad thing or not?

 

[nightwish]

This is just another example of a completely avoidable blunder by the BBC - if it was funded by advertising or subscriptions I’d care less but it’s not (yet).

One man's "blunder" is another man's "free press". They are (for the time being) free to say what they like. Even if, in some people's opinion, it is a blunder - they have a right to make that blunder. Forcing them to say something different is a very slippery slope indeed.

Now, the license fee is another issue entirely. That is your beef with them, really?

 

[Thekwango]

Hamas fighters presumably felt they were doing.

hamas fighters were not out at the weekend for revenge. they were out for blood, fuelled by hatred and a lack of care for other humans. there was no revenge, there was no pay back to be had by slaughtering innocent people and children.

 

[Twinz]

The lady even confirms there were no fighters in the building, but if course the biggots and Israeli far right will say there were.

How large was this building? Are there Hamas tunnels under it? Would she even know who is who in said building or what was under it?

Israel targets Hamas’s labyrinth of tunnels under Gaza

Palestinian militants are thought to have built hundreds of kilometres of tunnels underneath Gaza.

www.bbc.com

"Following a conflict in 2021, the IDF said it had destroyed more than 100km of tunnels in air strikes. Hamas meanwhile claimed that its tunnels stretched 500km and that only 5% were hit. To put those figures into perspective, the London Underground is 400km long and is mostly above ground."

 

[n111ck]

Not really though, is it?

The only people who consider it a blunder are the people who wanted the BBC destroyed long before today - It's just that they saw babies had been killed and their instinctive response was, "Ooo, there's a point-scoring opportunity to further our agenda."

Who seriously is so lacking in emotional intelligence (GB News audience, I know) that they read, "Militants killed babies" and need to see the word "terrorists" before they can determine if that's a bad thing or not?

well even your hero shifty Starmer has criticised the BBC for this.. that must hurt lol..

if the terms isn’t loaded then why is the BBC afraid to use it?

 

[Junglist]

Just wait till this forum celebrates fasting month again and closes ANY posts that disagree with it in complete fear!

To be fair, what's the point in wading into a thread that is generally positive just to say you don't agree with a certain practice. That's childish behaviour at best and pure ******** behaviour at worst.

 

[n111ck]

One man's "blunder" is another man's "free press". They are (for the time being) free to say what they like. Even if, in some people's opinion, it is a blunder - they have a right to make that blunder. Forcing them to say something different is a very slippery slope indeed.

Now, the license fee is another issue entirely. That is your beef with them, really?

So you think they are above UK law and can report what they like even though it’s factually wrong?

Regardless they have already crumbled so your defence is misplaced..

 

[Ayahuasca]

Just wait till this forum celebrates fasting month again and closes ANY posts that disagree with it in complete fear!

lol, of all the things to get triggered over, this might take the biscuit.

 

[Neil79]

To be fair, what's the point in wading into a thread that is generally positive just to say you don't agree with a certain practice. That's childish behaviour at best and pure ******** behaviour at worst.

True

However it is still a discussion forum, some people have disagreed with celebrating easter

 

[Koalaboy]

In the press conference just now, the Israeli defence minister (who avoided answering many questions) stated that they "do not shoot innocent Palestinians on purpose".

Meanwhile (from the BBC):

Amid growing tension on Tuesday, two young Palestinians were shot dead by Israeli forces in the neighbourhood of Silwan, which borders the Old City and its holy sites; police said they were killed for throwing firecrackers and stones.

I guess throwing firecrackers and stones mean they are no longer 'innocent' and must be Hamas terrorists.

This is what most people protest about. Sure, there are religious nuts and others who have deep-seated hatred, but the majority of normal people would agree the above is also wrong. If it happened over here, there would be outrage... but because it's the Israeli police, it's fine.

 

[Freefaller]

I'm still concerned / worried about how they can evacuate all of the innocent Palestinians, and where they're going to go, and what's going to happen after. There are millions of people that need relocating! It's shame there isn't any international support for the soon to be refugees, once their homes and livelihoods are destroyed.

Too worried about virtue signalling for football matches and flags, rather than actually helping people that really need it.

 

[nightwish]

So you think they are above UK law and can report what they like even though it’s factually wrong?

Regardless they have already crumbled so your defence is misplaced..

It is becoming impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you, as you are not being reasonable. They have reported that the UK government considers Hamas a terrorist organisation. That is not factually wrong. Neither are they above the law - if they broke it I'm sure someone will hold them to account (what law is it that you think they've broken?)

If they have "crumbled" then that is a shame, and perhaps ironically in some sense, reduces them in my view. They should have stuck to their principles.

At no point was I defending the BBC itself. I was always defending freedom of speech and a free-press. Basic principles of the bedrock of democracy seem like they are being cast aside because some folks don't like the license fee. These are dangerous times.

 

[Junglist]

True

However it is still a discussion forum, some people have disagreed with celebrating easter

There is a difference between discussing and being antagonistic. I'm sure if someone was super opposed to Ramadam (which would be weird in itself) I'm sure the mods would have more sympathy if you created a thread with a well reasoned argument as to why you disagree with it vs wading into a thread where those who are partaking in the practice are supporting one another or others are wishing them well.

I really don't get some people. They think their opinion carriers more weight than it does. I don't like running, I'm not going to pop into the running thread and telling those who enjoy in the pastime that I disagree with it.

 

[Scougar]

Do people think Israel will become a safer country after commiting genocide?

Did you miss the endless videos of "death to jews" from Hamas and many other sources calling for genocide?

Israel used to have relatively open borders, but they kept having terrorists attacks, and that stopped.

 

[n111ck]

It is becoming impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you, as you are not being reasonable. They have reported that the UK government considers Hamas a terrorist organisation. That is not factually wrong. Neither are they above the law - if they broke it I'm sure someone will hold them to account (what law is it that you think they've broken?)

If they have "crumbled" then that is a shame, and perhaps ironically in some sense, reduces them in my view. They should have stuck to their principles.

At no point was I defending the BBC itself. I was always defending freedom of speech and a free-press. Basic principles of the bedrock of democracy seem like they are being cast aside because some folks don't like the license fee. These are dangerous times.

They crumbled today - yesterday they used the term militant and today they have new weasel words.

So other than the ofcomm investigation I don’t think there is much more to say

 

[diamount]

In the press conference just now, the Israeli defence minister (who avoided answering many questions) stated that they "do not shoot innocent Palestinians on purpose".

Meanwhile (from the BBC):

I guess throwing firecrackers and stones mean they are no longer 'innocent' and must be Hamas terrorists.

This is what most people protest about. Sure, there are religious nuts and others who have deep-seated hatred, but the majority of normal people would agree the above is also wrong. If it happened over here, there would be outrage... but because it's the Israeli police, it's fine.

Don't be a fool and throw firecrackers & stones at police after then? Could've easily been a grenade or molotov and I'm imagining police are looking for any excuse for their itchy trigger fingers.

 

[Thekwango]

How large was this building? Are there Hamas tunnels under it? Would she even know who is who in said building or what was under it?

i imagine she wouldn't have much of a clue who was or wasn't a terrorist in her building but this just highlighs why this approach by Israel isn't going to work, at least not as a long term solution. all that bombing that ladies buidling has done is provide fresh recruits for whatever scum bag organisation takes up the mantle of hamas once they are eradicated. and so the cycle of violence on both sides continues.

 

[omnomnom]

Did you miss the endless videos of "death to jews" from Hamas and many other sources calling for genocide?

Israel used to have relatively open borders, but they kept having terrorists attacks, and that stopped.

They've been doing a fair few attacks themselves aswell as stealing land etc. They arent innocent in all this.