Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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BUDFORCE said:
Not go into innocent people's houses and kill their children?
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I agree, but terrible atrocities are going to transpire after being oppressed for so long, you can't expect these people to just sit silently in the corner being good little controlled Palestinians, sometimes a monster is created by an oppressor, and then the oppressor blames their own creation for their actions.
 
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Noughtboy said:
I will reiterate...a complete fabrication trying to forward his own version of reality. Have Arab children died. Of course. But to claim 33000 over 15 years is not a disagreement between classification or a margin of error. The total ON BOTH SIDES including combatants over a 34 year period (1987-2021) is less than half of what he claims is just the children alone.

The quantum is mostly irrelevant when even 10 would be tragic. However, that figure he claims is completely made up and can only be classified as a lie.
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Hyperbolic or ill informed then, but not a complete fabrication:

en.wikipedia.org

Children in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia

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I agree with your point that any child, anywhere of any nationality dying is tragic. Alas I think @ANDREW GREEN's point however badly made was that there was a disproportionate number of Palestinian children killed in this conflict. Nearly 2500 according to that wiki page.

Thinking tangentially, that's thousands of potential militants with a revenge cause. Not that I condone or support either side's actions, but through that lens it's very difficult to see how this deescalates from here.
 
To be honest I'm not clued up on this at all, all I know is that this was discussed rather prolifically in the news when I was a kid 35-odd years ago, and now it's being discussed again. That's a long time for a conflict, and I now know it's been going on a lot longer than that even.

Trying to find a simple, honest explanation of this situation is like trying to find an honest Trump supporter sadly.

But what's the solution? How do these two factions come to an amicable agreement for both sides? Is it even possible?
 
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Things change I've changed said:
I'm not condoning what has happened but what are the Palestinians supposed to do in the long run, just accept defeat and eventually be wiped out?
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Work with Israel for a two state solution instead of voting a terrorist group (Hamas) into government.

The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement is Hamas' founding document and charter. It calls for the rejection of a peace settlement, the complete destruction of Israel, and the rejection of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty.

These are the goals of the government Palestinians have chosen to represent their interests. They were established in 1988, and they have never changed.
 
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Diddums said:
To be honest I'm not clued up on this at all, all I know is that this was discussed rather prolifically in the news when I was a kid 35-odd years ago, and now it's being discussed again. That's a long time for a conflict, and I now know it's been going on a lot longer than that even.

Trying to find a simple, honest explanation of this situation is like trying to find an honest Trump supporter sadly.

But what's the solution? How do these two factions come to an amicable agreement for both sides? Is it even possible?
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Both sides have clearly shown an amicable agreement is not possible and how both parties act, ensure the cycle continues.
Both do not deserve the land at this point.

Sankari said:
Work with Israel for a two state solution instead of voting a terrorist group (Hamas) into government.
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But: https://en.idi.org.il/articles/46000
Israeli's do not want two state.
 
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Mr Jack said:
Israel are no better, and their response will probably be just as bad. Just a horrific spiral on both sides.
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You can be darn sure that if a terrorist organisation did that to us we’d flatten them.

It’s just another example of the west believing restraint and peace to work in such scenarios, many of these organisations and cultures only understand one thing and they can smell our inability to act.

What Hamas hasn’t calculated is that Israel politically has no choice now but to wipe out any threat from Gaza, both politically from their own people and the potential for them to look weak in the Middle East, because currently their fighting force that has been revered until now, but doesn’t look all that great in this initial attack.
 
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Things change I've changed said:
I agree, but terrible atrocities are going to transpire after being oppressed for so long, you can't expect these people to just sit silently in the corner being good little controlled... sometimes a monster is created by an oppressor, and then the oppressor blames their own creation for their actions.
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Yeah it's no wonder Russia eventually pushed back against NATO expansionism.
 
Mr Jack said:
I guess you'll be cheering for the hundreds or thousands of dead Palestinians resulting from this then?
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Sadly too many of them have been in videos cheering for the atrocities, mostly on women, that we’ve seen over the last day or so. Unfortunately innocents are going to get caught up in this, on both sides. I would say in this case Israel didn’t start it, but they’ll certainly end it.
 
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