Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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RxR said:
A British citizen is missing after the Hamas attack on the desert rave. A note from Reuters on this page:

www.abc.net.au

Israeli death toll rises to more than 600 after Hamas attack — as it happened

Israeli officials in the US say the death toll from the attack by Hamas is now more than 600, with over 1,800 injured, while 100 civilians and soldiers have been kidnapped.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Amazing how Israel have been caught asleep quite so much, in an area where there has always been conflict.

Having seen some of the videos I can’t say I have much sympathy for the resulting response.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
Sounds like all the reserves are being called up, Israelis are ******, even those exempt are volunteering. It’s going to get very messy. Some have used 9/11 as an analogy, just this time proportionally more people were killed and up close too.

www.ynetnews.com

Israelis rush back from U.S. to join the fighting

Canadian-born entrepreneur Noy Leyb pays thousands of dollars for a seat on El Al after other airlines canceled flights to Tel Aviv, Yotam Avrahami needs all of 10 minutes to decide to leave his wife, baby and business and rush back to join comrades
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Having worked with some Israelis they'll no doubt be up for it, they had all done military service.
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I have a few Jewish friends in London, anti Nerenyahu government and have always been live and let live types.
Talking to them last night it was basically 'kill them all' which doesn't bode well for the people in Gaza.
 
Uther said:
Should have asked Hamas the day before the attack, they knew exactly what the response would be. Now they will reap what they sow (well, innocent civilians will anyway)
I should probably step back from the news, it's ******* depressing.
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Freefaller said:
Oh of course. It's awful. And I have no idea what they were thinking. It's clear they're just making a point. Typical cutting off nose to spite their face.

I guess when you're desperate you don't think clearly.

Either way innocents on both sides are being dragged into things that they shouldn't have to endure.
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Who was it that said, "Give my liberty, or give me death!"

He was a terrorist/freedom fighter/hero/villain (delete according to viewpoint).

As @Freefaller subsequently said, people in Gaza are prisoners. Denied basic rights, medicines, freedom of movement, etc, etc.

Perhaps many feel as Patrick Henry did, that life without freedom was worse than death.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Amazing how Israel have been caught asleep quite so much, in an area where there has always been conflict.

Having seen some of the videos I can’t say I have much sympathy for the resulting response.
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I wonder if it's because it was the sabbath, and a Jewish holiday, and maybe complacency over the peace talks going on?
That murdered girl in the back of a pick up was at a peace festival near the border apparently so they certainly weren't expecting an attack. :(
 
FoxEye said:
Who was it that said, "Give my liberty, or give me death!"

He was a terrorist/freedom fighter/hero/villain (delete according to viewpoint).

As @Freefaller subsequently said, people in Gaza are prisoners. Denied basic rights, medicines, freedom of movement, etc, etc.

Perhaps many feel as Patrick Henry did, that life without freedom was worse than death.
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Well I doubt the people of Gaza are in a better position now than they were before the attack. Unless of course they really do look forward to meeting their 'god'
IDF will be along shortly to help them on their way. It'll take a while for the bloodlust to abate I reckon.
 
Uther said:
I have a few Jewish friends in London, anti Nerenyahu government and have always been live and let live types.
Talking to them last night it was basically 'kill them all' which doesn't bode well for the people in Gaza.
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Nothing quite like seeing your fellow women and kids murdered and paraded in the streets to unite a divided country.

Uther said:
Well I doubt the people of Gaza are in a better position now than they were before the attack. Unless of course they really do look forward to meeting their 'god'
IDF will be along shortly to help them on their way. It'll take a while for the bloodlust to abate I reckon.
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Israel has already cut their electricity and ultimately the whole area will be cut off from civilisation, more so than it already was.
 
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Uther said:
Well I doubt the people of Gaza are in a better position now than they were before the attack. Unless of course they really do look forward to meeting their 'god'
IDF will be along shortly to help them on their way. It'll take a while for the bloodlust to abate I reckon.
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Well what's worse? Being in a hopeless situation with no prospects of ever living a decent life (for you or your children), watching people suffer and die around you for no good reason, or being shot dead and hoping that the next life (which they believe in) might be a whole lot better.

By all accounts, life in Gaza is a living hell and has been for years.
 
FoxEye said:
Who was it that said, "Give my liberty, or give me death!"

He was a terrorist/freedom fighter/hero/villain (delete according to viewpoint).
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Patrick Henry was a combatant in a legitimate war of independence. He did not commit any acts of terrorism, and did not belong to a terrorist organisation.

FoxEye said:
As @Freefaller subsequently said, people in Gaza are prisoners. Denied basic rights, medicines, freedom of movement, etc, etc.

Perhaps many feel as Patrick Henry did, that life without freedom was worse than death.
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The blockade only exists because Hamas became the new government and killed or forced out any Palestinians who refused to support them. Fatah and the Palestinian Authority security forces fled Gaza in the face of overwhelming violence from Hamas.

In response, Egypt and Israel closed their borders to Gaza.

Gaza is a living hell because Hamas turned it into one.
 
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FoxEye said:
Well what's worse? Being in a hopeless situation with no prospects of ever living a decent life (for you or your children), watching people suffer and die around you for no good reason, or being shot dead and hoping that the next life (which they believe in) might be a whole lot better.

By all accounts, life in Gaza is a living hell and has been for years.
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Paradise compared to what’s coming.
 
Apparently 400 Israeli people killed, and the IDF are still battling in 8 areas to regain control.

A huge embarrassment for Israel, people on mopeds riding in and stealing tanks, shooting civilians, taking potshots.

What a complete mess
 
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