Israel-Hamas war - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ATiRubyfan said:
Long long ago, the inhabitants of present day Israel/Palestine were Palestinian Arabs. When Hitler was killing Jews, they fled and they decided to go to the promised land in the Jewish bible. So, all the Jewish refugees flocked to present day Israel/Palestine. They initially lived in refugee camps and then later armed themselves and started attacking the natives and ultimately kicked them out into modern day Palestine. Ever since, the refugees have remained as the oppressors who have controlled their movements and stopped them from becoming a country.
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Oh yeah, didn't realise the Kingdom of Israel from 1000BC was in Antarctica. :cry:

chrismscotland said:
Feels a bit hysterical, the Polish military planes will likely just divert, most of the Israeli airports were closed for long periods yesterday
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Probably yea
 
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mid_gen said:
Pretty tragic all the GD racists crawling out of the woodwork pretending they suddenly care about the Jewish people and aren't just delighted to indulge their islamophobia and engage in some petty point-scoring. Disgusting people.
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The blind spot 'progressives' have for Islam would be hillarious if it didn't also have something terrible consequences for the future of Europe. I could repeat the facts about a certain ideology formed by a war crime commiting warlord who had the males of a whole tribe killed and the women and children split up as sex slaves and who started an ideolgy that splits the world into the area it dominates a the house of war but you probaly already know that stuff...


Craterloads said:
Where would they be expuling them too?
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Israel is the way it is now in large part because of the large amount of Jews that had to flee counties across the middle East. Of course the same countries had very little interest in taking in their co religionists in return or using them as anything other than a cudgel to try and beat the Jews with. Israel may be the focus but this situation has much wider roots.

Mr Jack said:
I guess you'll be cheering for the hundreds or thousands of dead Palestinians resulting from this then?
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Cheering? No not particularly but Hamas knows this will be the result of the response and more so deliberately arranges themselves so that theae are the consequence so they can make advantage of one of the few 'advantages' they do possess....(a population with a massive excess of people to be put on the firing line)

And of any one group of people the Palestinians evoke some of the lowest levels of sympathy in me. They thought they could, and have tried to, wipe out the Jews for a very long time now.

They could have had a compromise, one were neither side got what they wanted, but they when for the plan b) of trying genocide instead (initially supported by most of Israels neighbours) and failed. Lots of them also voted for a explict terrorist group into power.

Sam Harris nailed this 'two sides' nonsence of thoose that try to make moral comparisons between the two sides.


The truth is that there is an obvious, undeniable, and hugely consequential moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The Israelis are surrounded by people who have explicitly genocidal intentions towards them. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. It looks forward to a time, based on Koranic prophesy, when the earth itself will cry out for Jewish blood, where the trees and the stones will say “O Muslim, there’s a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him.” This is a political document. We are talking about a government that was voted into power by a majority of Palestinians.The discourse in the Muslim world about Jews is utterly shocking. Not only is there widespread Holocaust denial—there’s Holocaust denial that then asserts that we will do it for real if given the chance. The only thing more obnoxious than denying the Holocaust is to say that it should have happened; it didn’t happen, but if we get the chance, we will accomplish it. There are children’s shows in the Palestinian territories and elsewhere that teach five-year-olds about the glories of martyrdom and about the necessity of killing Jews.And this gets to the heart of the moral difference between Israel and her enemies. And this is something I discussed in The End of Faith. To see this moral difference, you have to ask what each side would do if they had the power to do it.What would the Jews do to the Palestinians if they could do anything they wanted? Well, we know the answer to that question, because they can do more or less anything they want. The Israeli army could kill everyone in Gaza tomorrow. So what does that mean? Well, it means that, when they drop a bomb on a beach and kill four Palestinian children, as happened last week, this is almost certainly an accident. They’re not targeting children. They could target as many children as they want. Every time a Palestinian child dies, Israel edges ever closer to becoming an international pariah. So the Israelis take great pains not to kill children and other noncombatants.What do we know of the Palestinians? What would the Palestinians do to the Jews in Israel if the power imbalance were reversed? Well, they have told us what they would do. For some reason, Israel’s critics just don’t want to believe the worst about a group like Hamas, even when it declares the worst of itself. We’ve already had a Holocaust and several other genocides in the 20th century. People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen. There is every reason to believe that the Palestinians would kill all the Jews in Israel if they could. Would every Palestinian support genocide? Of course not. But vast numbers of them—and of Muslims throughout the world—would. Needless to say, the Palestinians in general, not just Hamas, have a history of targeting innocent noncombatants in the most shocking ways possible. They’ve blown themselves up on buses and in restaurants. They’ve massacred teenagers. They’ve murdered Olympic athletes. They now shoot rockets indiscriminately into civilian areas. And again, the charter of their government in Gaza explicitly tells us that they want to annihilate the Jews—not just in Israel but everywhere.


Dialup said:

Today should be a day of celebration for supporters of democracy and human rights worldwide, as Gazans break out of their open-air prison and Hamas fighters cross into their colonisers' territory. The struggle for freedom is rarely bloodless and we shouldn't apologise for it.

Jesus H Christ.
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Was only a few weeks ago that the progressive media were all on about how one media organisation needed to be shut down as one of their contributors had made a crude suggestion that he would have sexual relations with a woman.

Kind of puts it into perspective really....(I know the regulation situation is different between GBN and Novara). You have to laugh at the sheer stupidity of thinking that Hamas, of all groups, should be celebrated by thoose invested on democracy and 'human rights'
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
Hamas has got balls. Israel has so much advanced intelligence and technology and they could still not prevent this!
I read an article that they even attacked three Israeli military bases and took a few army vehicles and then paraded them back in Gaza! lol.

Iran's commander has landed in Lebanon. i.e. expect Hezbolla, which is even stronger than Hamas to start action soon.
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Why do you seem to admire them?

Killing 250+ unarmed young people at a music concert (inside Israel's pre-1967 borders) is brave? It's cowardly.

If they had balls, they would have gone and fought soldiers.
 
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Twinz said:
Interesting perspective:

"I'm German. Our nation used to be much bigger than it is. Than we started two wars, lost badly and millions of our people were killed or lost their ancestral homes. - and we accepted it and didn't started shooting rockets into Poland on a regular basis.
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Ummm… isn’t that fact that there were two world wars a sign that the Germans – in fact – did not accept it?
 
FoxEye said:
Not even remotely similar.

Might be if Germany was still divided and East Germany still controlled by the Soviet Union.

But modern-day Germans are a free people and not occupied by foreign forces, or blockaded and living in fear.
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That's because they aren't fighting over they land they lost after starting two wars.
 
jeffk said:
Ummm… isn’t that fact that there were two world wars a sign that the Germans – in fact – did not accept it?
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It took two world wars, but they are now a successful nation...in no small part because they stopped attacking their neighbors.
 
Twinz said:
That's because they aren't fighting over they land they lost after starting two wars.
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The first time they lost their land was because the US and friends decided to give it to Israel.

Israel subsequently then being armed to the teeth, and having the unquestioning and unconditional support of the the USA.

Given the chasm in capabilities between Israel and their neighbours, the choice Palestinians have is not really a choice at all. Allow Israel to finish taking all their land, and watch as it happens, or make crude attacks borne out of hatred and despair.

The Palestinians have been **** by Israel and their enablers, for decades.
 
Hades said:
You seem to have missed out the part about the Ottoman Empire collapsing due to WW1, some dodgy promises to both sides by Britain, the British Mandate from the UN, Palestinians being offered (and rejecting) a two state solution in 1947 which the Israelis accepted, and in 1948 several Arab countries attacking Israel.

** I'm not siding with either the Palestinians or the Israelis, but simply pointing out that there is a lot of history to get to this point. It's not just a matter of one side deciding to displace the other.
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I was looking at it more from 'whose land is it'? And, to me it looks the same as if your neighbours came to visit your house for a Sunday lunch and didn't leave and instead said 'Hey, why don't we both live in the same house from now on?'

It's covered in details in
en.wikipedia.org

History of Palestine - Wikipedia

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Past WW1, borders have not been redrawn for Israel/Palestine. But, before that, it was under Muslim rule from 632 AD - 1903 ( except 87 years in the middle during which Crusaders took control )
 
Trusty said:
Oh yeah, didn't realise the Kingdom of Israel from 1000BC was in Antarctica. :cry:



Probably yea
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That Kingdom ended in 645BC. There were other kingdoms after that. Various Muslim rulers occupied the lands from 631AD - 1902.

Civilization started in Mesopotamia. Does that mean we are all Iraqis? Geddit?
 
muon said:
Why do you seem to admire them?

Killing 250+ unarmed young people at a music concert (inside Israel's pre-1967 borders) is brave? It's cowardly.

If they had balls, they would have gone and fought soldiers.
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I admire it when the oppressed strikes back.

Does your logic also apply to the USA and their use of atom bombs on civilians in Japan? If they had balls, they would have bombed some Japanese naval bases as a revenge for Pearl Harbour.
 
ATiRubyfan said:
I admire it when the oppressed strikes back.

Does your logic also apply to the USA and their use of atom bombs on civilians in Japan? If they had balls, they would have bombed some Japanese naval bases as a revenge for Pearl Harbour.
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Strikes back against random people at a music concert? You admire that?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't random targets. Also, it is now illegal everywhere in the civilized world, to do what happened in WW2. You don't get to kill civilians.

You gonna tell me how Vikings were admirable as well. And since they raped and pillaged, it must be okay today.
 
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ATiRubyfan said:
I was looking at it more from 'whose land is it'? And, to me it looks the same as if your neighbours came to visit your house for a Sunday lunch and didn't leave and instead said 'Hey, why don't we both live in the same house from now on?'

It's covered in details in
en.wikipedia.org

History of Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
Past WW1, borders have not been redrawn for Israel/Palestine. But, before that, it was under Muslim rule from 632 AD - 1903 ( except 87 years in the middle during which Crusaders took control )
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According to the Wiki page it was under Jewish control for hundreds of years prior to 632AD

And before the Jews it were Cannanites who's religion included worshipping dozens of gods, similar to other religions at the time
 
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