Israel/Palestine Shenanigans

[koolpc]

you already expressed your "opinion" multiple times repeating the same statement with no backing. repeating something does not make it true

It is very true though. Ask anyone in the western world who they think is the face of terrorism today.

 

[2k3smian]

It is very true though. Ask anyone in the western world who they think is the face of terrorism today.

what does ask anyone means? are you saying that everyone on this forums for example say this?
I am looking for hard proof.

 

[Guest2]

The rockets aren't useless. They're deadly. As many Israeli and Palestinians corpses can show.

Only going off info from on here Hamas started firing although I would call those sticks rather than rockets

Doesnt the iron dome shoot down the majority of rockets over Israel?

 

[koolpc]

what does ask anyone means? are you saying that everyone on this forums for example say this?
I am looking for hard proof.

Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

 

[koolpc]

Only going off info from on here Hamas started firing although I would call those sticks rather than rockets

Doesnt the iron dome shoot down the majority of rockets over Israel?

I guess you would happily stand and let one of those 'sticks' explode next to u then?

 

[2k3smian]

Wake up and smell the coffee my friend.

how many Muslims do you know personally, and what do you think of them, do you see them all as terrorists?

 

[Rroff]

Only going off info from on here Hamas started firing although I would call those sticks rather than rockets

Doesnt the iron dome shoot down the majority of rockets over Israel?

In this latest round of events 2/3rds of their rockets have missed any significant target and not been intercepted as not seen as a threat, 1/3rd intercepted with 90% efficiency - around 100 that were seen as a threat got through with varying levels of damage resulting.

Hamas has all kinds of munitions through glorified fireworks to modern short range artillery, domestic production of all levels of sophistication as well as external supplies of military equipment and also have everything from crude "hell cannons" to proper heavy mortar and even some anti-tank guided missile systems. Estimated numbers are well into the 10s of thousands so they'd likely run out of leadership and people willing to stick their neck out to fire them (though current events are probably helping on the recruitment side) long before they run out of rockets.

 

[2k3smian]

Only going off info from on here Hamas started firing although I would call those sticks rather than rockets

Doesnt the iron dome shoot down the majority of rockets over Israel?

I would argue that Hamas fired the rockets in response to prevoius events. and the chain goes back and back from there.

regarding the 'sticks' all in comparison, Israel has an army, every person is pretty much involved and on reserve, they have Navi, airforce, nuclear power. so fully-fledged.

1/3 of missiles launched by Hamas, fell inside Gaza, which if you ask me is stupid

I am not defending Hamas Action, I am just putting things in context

 

[deuse]

how many Muslims do you know personally, and what do you think of them, do you see them all as terrorists?

Why don't you start your own thread about it instead of hogging this one?

 

[Tony Edwards]

Why don't you start your own thread about it instead of hogging this one?

Dear Lord. Are you the forum police?

 

[2k3smian]

Dear Lord. Are you the forum police?

lol

@Deus

This is relevant to the subject though

 

[koolpc]

how many Muslims do you know personally, and what do you think of them, do you see them all as terrorists?

I live and work in a predominantly Muslim area. I know many many Muslims. I am friends with many.

Muslim extremists are very much on a different planet to your every day Muslim.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Muslim extremists are the face of terrorism today.

Central and South America would disagree. The USA would disagree, take 9/11 out and its extreme right wing terrorism that is their biggest problem for decades now. It might be the face for Europe in recent years but Europe isn't the world.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Thanks, very useful and concise.
Maybe an obvious question... Why attack someone with weapons you know will be useless, knowing full well it will spark something big off? I guess that had to do something, maybe not fire 1500 odd useless rockets

What other choice do they have? When you corner something and give it a choice of fight or die, lots of time it'll fight. If Israel is allowed to keep evicting Palestinians from land, eventually they'll have all the land and the Palestinians will be left with nothing, they already have virtually nothing.

 

[plasmahal]

Only going off info from on here Hamas started firing although I would call those sticks rather than rockets

Maybe do some research then. I have seen first hand what Iranian paid for rockets and mortars look like and do when I was in Iraq.

Doesn't the iron dome shoot down the majority of rockets over Israel?

Israel being forced into putting up a good defence system to defend itself does not make what Hamas id doing OK...

 

[deuse]

Central and South America would disagree. The USA would disagree, take 9/11 out and its extreme right wing terrorism that is their biggest problem for decades now. It might be the face for Europe in recent years but Europe isn't the world.

Muslims are hated in the US.

Because of 9/11 and still are.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...roup-discrimination-anti-mosque-a7311151.html

 

[Lysander]

Muslims are hated in the US.

Because of 9/11 and still are.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...roup-discrimination-anti-mosque-a7311151.html

There's a difference between Muslims being hated in the US and being the main cause of terrorism.

Those are two different points. Neither point I disagree with.

 

[2k3smian]

Muslims are hated in the US.

Because of 9/11 and still are.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...roup-discrimination-anti-mosque-a7311151.html

and so did the Jewish people in Nazi Germany.
Interesting enough Guantanamo bay, US-run concentration camp, and that is not counted in your terrorism numbers

so being most hated does not bode well for your argument.

Islam is the main terrorist group in the world.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2018/12/05/deadliest-terrorist-groups-in-the-world/

if you attack someone at their home and killed their family, you cant expect to play the victim when they attack you back in your home.

US have no business starting the wars, in fact, it was not approved by the UN, and to date, it's an illegal war.

So angry people fight back but you are you not willing to accept that aggressors are to blame too, and indeed terrorists in their eyes.

if we do not learn from history, then the same thing will happen over and over again.

 

[deuse]

and so did the Jewish people in Nazi Germany.
Interesting enough Guantanamo bay, US-run concentration camp, and that is not counted in your terrorism numbers

so being most hated does not bode well for your argument.




if you attack someone at their home and killed their family, you cant expect to play the victim when they attack you back in your home.

US have no business starting the wars, in fact, it was not approved by the UN, and to date, it's an illegal war.

So angry people fight back but you are you not willing to accept that aggressors are to blame too, and indeed terrorists in their eyes.

if we do not learn from history, then the same thing will happen over and over again.

So you would agree that if a muslim attacks someone in the UK.
We have a right to fight back ourselves?

 

[2k3smian]

So you would agree that if a muslim attacks someone in the UK.
We have a right to fight back ourselves?

it goes both ways, however, double wrong does not make right.

if an individual attack someone in the UK, the government have the right to talk all actions within the law against them.

however if a whole country attacks another country with no justification, that attacked country have the right to defend itself (within legal means too and proportional response)