Israel/Palestine Shenanigans

[Tefal]

In any event it still saddens me greatly when a child dies during a conflict no matter the side they are 'on'

But this is what should make us humans - having compassion for our children who are innocent on both sides. The difference here is though that whilst Israeli's celebrate when palestinian children are killed, the palestinians do not.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...s-celebrate-the-deaths-of-Gazan-children.html

err yes they do they have martyrs days including the university which celebrates when one of its students walked into an israeli cafe and blew up iirc about 20 civilians including women and children.

 

[zoomee]

That will be ignored, just like the fact Muslims attacked the Byzantians to take over Jerusalem around 630-40AD and forcing anyone that wasn't Islamic to live under the Pact of Umar i.e. Occupation and oppression by a foreign force - the very things that Israel is accused of today.

http://nickvoss.wordpress.com/2011/01/08/islamic-conquests-the-siege-of-jerusalem/

What a rubbish blog you linked to. No wonder you have such a bigoted view of Islam reading that mythical crap. In actual fact there was no 'war' for Jerusalem in the time of Umar. Might want to brush up on your facts before you go spouting rubbish dude.

http://lostislamichistory.com/jerusalem-and-umar-ibn-al-khattab/

And just in case you claim 'bias' like most of the other pro-israelis who post here without proof themselves

From the christians themselves:
http://jerusalem.com/articles/chrisitanity/the_key_to_the_church_of_the_holy_sepulchre-a12

err yes they do they have martyrs days including the university which celebrates when one of its students walked into an israeli cafe and blew up iirc about 20 civilians including women and children.

Still waiting for someone to give some actual evidence that the palestinians celebrate when Israeli children are killed. We are not talking about general celebrations in times of war (as admittedly most armies are guilty of that!) but specifically about children.

I've given clear evidence above that the Israeli's love it when palestinian children are killed. Racism towards Arabs is in-bred into Israeli's whereas Arabs do not want the 'death of all jews' like some of people here like to spout.

Plenty of graffiti plastered all over Israel saying "Death to Arabs"

 

[MatteH Oxford]

From the link you gave:

The Treaty of Umar

As they did with all other cities they conquered, the Muslims had to write up a treaty detailing the rights and privileges regarding the conquered people and the Muslims in Jerusalem.

What is your definition of conquer?

 

[zoomee]

I know your idea of conquering something involves a fight but not everything in life actually does. Way to go for getting to the bit you wanted to see and ignoring the rest which explained why there was no actual fight for Jeruselum

FYI seeing as I'm having to teach you plain english too there are a couple of definitions of Conquer, namely:

- overcome and take control of (a place or people) by military force.

- successfully overcome (a problem or weakness).

Don't blame you though as that's all the British Empire used to do when 'conquering' a land or people.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

 

[MatteH Oxford]

So they "successfully overcame" every country that stood in there way during the expansion of the Islamic empire during that period?. Surely the correct term for a non violent take over would be assimilation?.

So excuse me for being dubious regarding the legitimately of such a claim, mind you, even your holy book is full of such ambiguity so it doesn't come as a surprise that you can twist whatever you like to fit your views.

 

[wingman44115]

Islam is a disease and I hope to live to see the day it is wiped of the planet.

 

[Mynight]

Islam is a disease and I hope to live to see the day it is wiped of the planet.

Wow! I guess we know where you stand on this .

 

[arknor]

Israel launching new air raids after a Palestinian mortar attack killed an Israeli child. The Israeli PM then states that "Hamas will pay heavy price". Looks like more Palestinians will be killed as revenge regardless of whether or not they had any involvement.

seems bringing down a high rise apartment block was that retaliation

The Israeli military said the target was a Hamas operations room in the building, but did not say why the whole tower with 44 apartments was brought down.

Police in Gaza said a warning missile was fired five minutes before impact and some residents were able to get out of the building in time.

Gaza hospital officials said 22 people were wounded, including 11 children and five women.

Resident Maher Abu Sedo said two strikes came within seconds of each other.

 

[Amnesia]

Hamas unsuccessfully attempting to kill Israeli citizens is of course every bit as wrong as Israel successfully (?) killing citizens in Gaza.

Nearly killing someone is as bad as killing them ?
go on......

Israel may not be perfect, but they have demonstrated a level of restraint that Hamas/ISIS, etc, would certainly not have.

May not be perfect MAY ? ? ?......how many civilians do they need to kill so you can be sure ?

 

[Amnesia]

Islam is a disease and I'm the cure

It would have been so much cooler had you just said that instead.

 

[zoomee]

Wow! I guess we know where you stand on this .

lol - he's not far off some of the other regular anti-muslamic posters here on OCUK lol!

Here Matteh - have a read of this, Theres no doubt that there was some wars, but nowhere near as many as what people often make out:
http://history-world.org/islam4.htm

Back on point anyways, looks like Israel has had to backtrack on some of its lies:

http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/israel-retract-false-allegation#

Israeli officials retracted this morning their earlier claim on Friday that the rocket that killed a four-year-old child in Southern Israel was launched from an UNRWA school in the Gaza Strip. The Israeli news reports that the rocket was launched from an UNRWA school were false. The same media outlets that rushed to report the incident without seeking confirmation from UNRWA are required and called upon to also report the Israeli army retraction. We also call on Israeli military spokespersons and other official sources to ensure the accuracy of their facts before going public.

Further evidence that the IDF have been lying to the world.

 

[Mynight]

It would have been so much cooler had you just said that instead.

Would have be even funnier if his username was bacon

 

[zoomee]

I'd heard reports of this but didn't think it was true. Looks like the IDF aint just content with killing women and children but have now turned there sights to defenseless animals too:

http://stopwar.org.uk/news/is-israe...aza-s-dairy-cows-sheep-and-goats#.U_pO3vldWgv

Does Israel really think it can break Palestinian resistance by destroying factories and farmland and killing livestock? At the Nadi family farm in Beit Hanoun, Mahmoud Nadi said almost half the stock of 370 dairy cows had been killed in shelling from tanks positioned inside the border and air strikes. The family, which has farmed in the area for 15 years, fled to UN shelters in Jabaliya when the Israeli ground invasion started.

"When we came back, there were dead cows everywhere. We could hardly reach them because of the smell," he said. The milk yield from the remaining stock had plummeted due to the animals' trauma, he added.

In Beit Lahiya, camel farmer Zaid Hamad Ermelat returned to his land last week to find 20 animals – worth $2,800 a head – had been shot by ground forces. Their decomposing carcasses remained on the ground amid spent bullet casings from M16 rifles.

How low can you go?

 

[McBain]

It would have been so much cooler had you just said that instead.

 

[wingman44115]

How low can you go?

Well they haven't started suicide attacks yet, so the answer is not as low as the people they are fighting.

 

[zoomee]

Well they haven't started suicide attacks yet, so the answer is not as low as the people they are fighting.

They've already exhausted that tactic against their roman rulers centuries ago, learn your own history.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4760240

But more recently:

http://www.deliberation.info/the-jewish-suicide-bomber-you-never-heard-of/

The real terrorists here are the Israeli's - established by terrorist groups like Irgun. It was born out of terrorism, helped breed it and then try to use tactics like blaming an oppressed people who have been bombed, raped, murdered, had generations of families slaughtered, land continually being stolen from, then claim they are the victims of terrorism. Its a far pathetic cry at best, and one pro-israeli's often try to play (like you are now).

Zionist-dominated mainstream media vividly portrays Israel as a tiny embattled nation seeking peace in a sea of Arab hostility. 1 Arabs, we are told, commit acts of terror while Israel only resorts to violence out of self-protection. The facts of history paint a very different picture.

Far from deploring terror, Israel has sanctioned terror to seize and expand its territory since its beginnings. In 1944, Zionist leaders in Israel faced two alternatives. They could continue to allow the British and Arabs to occupy Palestine, who would continue to pressure Israel to concede a Palestinian state. Or they could drive both British and Arabs out. Israelis chose the latter.

http://www.rense.com/general81/tedp.htm

 

[dowie]

Police in Gaza said a warning missile was fired five minutes before impact and some residents were able to get out of the building in time.

so nice and thoughtful of them: a 'warning missile'

I'm sure a mother with several kids or an elderly resident would instantly spring into action, get their shoes on, down several floors of stairs out of the building and to a safe distance several hundred meters away within the generous 5 minute delay after that 'warning missile'....

 

[FoxEye]

Since you guys are basically Hamas propaganda wing at this moment in time, let's have some alternative perspective. Here's some recent news stories to highlight how benevolent Hamas are to their own people...

Hamas Publicly Executes 18 Palestinians Accused of Aiding Israel

Gaza Public Rejects Hamas, Wants Ceasefire

As war with Israel shatters lives, more Gazans question Hamas decisions

Hamas Police Shoot, Kill Starving Gazans a Day After Executing Protesters

Israel-Gaza conflict: Palestinians critical of Hamas, but hopeful of open borders

Now of course these are all "zionist media" accounts since they don't paint Israel as the bad guy and Hamas as the voice of the people.

In fact they must be false, because we all know Gazans love Hamas, and Hamas would never shoot Gazans for not towing the line. And neither would ISIS, naturally. Because they aren't totalitarian terrorist nutjobs, like the zionist media would have you believe. Of course not

 

[Mynight]

so nice and thoughtful of them: a 'warning missile'

I'm sure a mother with several kids or an elderly resident would instantly spring into action, get their shoes on, down several floors of stairs out of the building and to a safe distance several hundred meters away within the generous 5 minute delay after that 'warning missile'....

Well its a damn sight better than just flattening it without warning.

Not that I think its a great idea anyway.

 

[dowie]

I think the whole retaliation thing was a stupid idea....

Don't get me wrong - the military wing of Hamas are scum, radical Islamist are scum and radical Islam does present a huge threat to the world - this current conflict pales in comparison to events in Iraq and Syria at the moment.

Having said that it is just so ridiculous on the part of the Israelis - the rockets killed a grand total of 3 people... they've since lost 60+ lives as part of their reaction to those rockets - their actual response in sending in ground forces has hurt themselves more (causing 20 times the casualties on their side) than the combined effect of those rockets attacks...

Not only that but they've gone and killed thousands of civilians, flattened homes, destroyed businesses and infrastructure and made themselves look like complete ****s on the world stage... this does nothing for long term peace in the region and will just build resentment, reduce worldwide support and increase the chance of further attacks. It might satisfy the needs of sections of the Israeli population/right wing political parties short term but its also playing straight into Hamas's hands. Its such a disproportionate reaction and hasn't gained anything... some targeted strikes in return, assassinations of Hamas military leaders - sure, I don't have too much of an issue there... whats currently happening though is too wide ranging, has a disproportionate affect on civilians and is just so misguided.