Italian Grand Prix 2011, Monza Circuit - Race 13/19

smr said:
Oh and btw I think Jenson did get the fastest lap, and came second. :cool: But still. The point I make stands.
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Actually, Hamilton got the fastest lap. Not by much, but still the fastest lap of the race.

gord is right - Hamilton needed to get a race finish in, and did just that. He didn't help himself on a few occasions today (the restart from the safety car, he was a bit too tentative sometimes behind Schumacher, and he damned near crammed into the back of one of the Torro Rossos while trying to lap it at the first chicane), but overall it was a solid drive. It's a shame he couldn't have caught Alonso a lap earlier, otherwise I'm sure he'd have gotten by before the flag.
 
Joshy said:
Precisely my point.

People over-hype Button. Especially given that his Ace card of 'tactics' usually means he's quite a dull person to watch drive.
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Rofl dull to watch, dear oh dear....

When I was at Spa with the missus, at the bottom of Pouhon, a bloke and his son were stood infront of us, but about 20 percent of the way into the race they put their hands in the air, sighed and sat down for the rest of the race, just watching the TV , not able to even see the cars in the "flesh" due to their decision to sit down and have their sight of the track blocked by an armco...

I and my girlfriend, on the other hand, (standing up) cheered every time Jenson came around teh track, for all of his fantastic overtaking moves to get onto the podium after his team had completely bodged his chances in a qualifying shambles.

So yeah, Button is fantastically dull to watch, I'm so glad I spent all that money travelling to Spa to just sit there staring at a TV screen and an armco barrier. :p :D
 
3dcandy said:
and he's also behind JB in the drivers championship....I'll remind all those hamilton lovers of how they were saying he'd blow JB away...again...
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And considering how unfortunate Jenson has been this season... a lot of the "bad luck" Hammy has had has been his own doing - Spa was his fault imo, for example...

Jenson, on the other hand, has had his team mess up his chances on race weekends... Silverstone with the wheel nut... the qualifying decision at Spa ... then there's also downright bad luck in cases like Monaco where I strongly feel he would have passed Alonso and Vettel had the safety car not come out, or the teams weren't allowed to change tyres durin the red flag (what an utterly ridiculous rule that is)

That's not to say that Lewis has brought ALL of his own bad luck on himself, it's just that to me it seems Jenson has had more bad luck from not doing anything wrong himself.

Really Jenson could be another 50 odd points in front of Lewis...
 
Joshy said:
Precisely my point.

People over-hype Button. Especially given that his Ace card of 'tactics' usually means he's quite a dull person to watch drive.
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Yet he's performed more on track overtakes than anyone else on the grid this year.

As for the race today, found it quite enjoyable, Button exemplified why the tortoise is sometimes faster than the hare. Alonso's start was fantastic and Vettel showed some balls hanging on to the subsequent overtake.

Vettel's celebrations always seem so forced and fake though, they don't feel natural for some reason.
 
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gord said:
He didn't look silly. He said before he wanted to finish the race, which he did, scoring points. If anything he does seem to have learnt something.

The battle with Schumacher was hard fought, they'd both taken a lot out of each other's tyres. Button had done the smart thing and stayed out of trouble, biding his time and preserving some performance. That's why it was so easy for him to pass. Button has and always will be the thinking man's driver, which is what makes McLaren so good to support.

What would you have had him say at the end? If he had come out and complained about the Schumacher manoeuvres he would have been criticised. If he had not come out he would have been criticised. He comes out and maintains the peace, gets criticised.

I enjoyed the race today. Vettel's performance was that of a champion. Alonso did what he does. JB thought his way through. Hamilton finished.
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It's all so forced isn't it with Lewis though...the guy really doesn't know how to play the long game and as for interviews...he's worse than half the non-english main language speakers. Fast driver yes, nice person I don't think so. I remember somewhere that Bernie was quoted as saying that Lewis was a pretty pathetic WDC who didn't do much during his reign and was difficult to work with. I've also heard it quoted several times, including today by Brundle that JB was an exemplary WDC. If that's not a damning verdict of the man, then I don't know what is...

As a driver, on his day, he's superb. As an all around guy, he's immature, petty and seems hell bent on making enemies.

Vettel seems better, quite at ease with himself and taking his chance...
 
3dcandy said:
Vettel seems better, quite at ease with himself and taking his chance...
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Funnily enough when Mark was actually allowed to give him a run for his money Vettel was moody sullen and like a sulky child.

Wait until his car isn't the fastest by far on the grid and wait to see which Vettel we have. I bet it's not the smiley one.

Hamilton is hardly going to be happy when yet again Mclaren cannot build a title challenging car, Button is because as but said he's achieved all he wants from f1 and if he doesn't win another title so be it.

Hamilton is hungry for as many as he can get.
 
i cant believe webber is getting anywhere near an equal chance this season it makes no sense thats hes always so much behind vettel when you consider last year
 
arknor said:
i cant believe webber is getting anywhere near an equal chance this season it makes no sense thats hes always so much behind vettel when you consider last year
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I imagine he had a equal deal last year but they then got him on 1 year deals to keep him in line and dictate his terms. I expect his terms are similar to the ones Rubens and Irvine signed and his is rewarded well for it.

It's amazing that the 3rd or some would argue 4th best current driver in f1 is going to be a double world champion and I see little in Neweys way to stop that trend continuing.
 
dannyjo22 said:
Funnily enough when Mark was actually allowed to give him a run for his money Vettel was moody sullen and like a sulky child.

Wait until his car isn't the fastest by far on the grid and wait to see which Vettel we have. I bet it's not the smiley one.

Hamilton is hardly going to be happy when yet again Mclaren cannot build a title challenging car, Button is because as but said he's achieved all he wants from f1 and if he doesn't win another title so be it.

Hamilton is hungry for as many as he can get.
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Agreed. An excellent post :)
 
dannyjo22 said:
It's amazing that the 3rd or some would argue 4th best current driver in f1 is going to be a double world champion and I see little in Neweys way to stop that trend continuing.
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Also amazing that the 3rd or some would argue 4th best driver is so highly rated by his fellow drivers as well as ex drivers/professionals that have been involved in the sport. It just doesn't make sense.

Random fact of the day: Had the old F1 points systems remained Vettel in his last 7 races for Toro Rosso would've only scored 1 less point than Hamilton has managed in his last 7 races for McLaren. That Toro Rosso must've been some car in it's day :o
 
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I don't see how RBR can be any less dominant next year. They still seem miles ahead of the pack tbh - in both car development and strategy. They have done well working on their weaknesses - reliability and strategy. They don't even seem to have a weak track anymore! Don't see anything changing until a complete car design rule change tbh.
 
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