He would be great in a Ferrari. Shown flashes of brilliance with poor cars with 3 different teams now. The guy has talent and deserves a decent drive.
Italian Grand Prix 2013, Monza - Race 12/19
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He would be great in a Ferrari. Shown flashes of brilliance with poor cars with 3 different teams now. The guy has talent and deserves a decent drive.
smr is JBs biggest fan
Lewis lucked into one solitary championship in his epic tenure at mclaren which is woeful. Button has been the closest to seb in '11 since 2010
So we are forgetting the 2007 season when not only did he very nearly win the WDC (by 1 point, might I add) but also finished on the same number of points as a double champion from the 2 years before.
I wasn't a big Hamilton fan until a couple of years ago, and I like JB just as much as the next guy, but that Brawn DD did him too many favours in 2009 to ease him to half a season of dominance until everyone else caught up.
As good a driver as JB is, it's pretty obvious to most that LH is a faster driver, even if he's not the smoothest.
Yay at the booing, just drives us on even more.
Good to see you back on here! Unfortunately your absenteeism has left some members with pent-up Redbull Rage. You can have that one for their next brand name.
Race needed rain to make it more interesting at the front. Some good fighting in the mid field though, mainly due to out of position cars. Vettel looking dominant.
Out of interest how long are gearboxes supposed to be raced for?
Pretty convincingly proven over three consecutive seasons that this is not the case, and over a whole season ( which is all that counts) within a small margin of error they are as quick as each other.
The Mercedes is obviously a better car, so its notreally that surprising thst LH beat both McLaren's (still not sure how LH could repeatedly miss his pitboard though)
Martin Brundle commented on how on this track it's hard to see the pit board since you are doing 180MPH and 11+ meters away when going by it..
Overall, quite an interesting race, I think Redbull once again demonstrating that they have the best package, and managed the gearboxes perfectly to bring both cars home..
I think it'd have been nice if Kimi and Lewis didn't have the issues that put them on a 2 stopper, but at least it gave some entertainment in watching them use the newer tyres to their full advantage..
Singapore will be good, I think no one can predict how the cars will stand, Lewis seemed quited bouyed by the fact it's a high downforce track, although I'd have said that plays to RB normally, but who knows..
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People don't seem to understand what is good about the Merc, it's exceptionally fast in high downforce tracks.... that's its forte. At track after track Hamilton has beaten out an excellent RBR car to pole. At Monza EVERY car had good top speed. High downforce and rubbish top speed is easy, high speed and no downforce is easy, both is difficult. The Merc's issue is it can't maintain that speed without eating it's tyres. It is a faster car than the RBR, at basically any track, but it does this while eating it's tyres.
A couple races ago we had a situation where the extreme temps worked to level out the disadvantage of Merc because everyone's tyres were over heating. Here we have such low downforce meaning everyone could do away with downforce and power around the track.
The Merc is the fastest car on a significant portion of tracks this year than any other car so there is no reason Hamilton wouldn't prefer higher downforce tracks. Ultimately starting on pole and slipping a couple places on tracks where he can get to Q3 without any issues is better than what happened today.
I said faster driver, not better race driver. We know being the fastest over a single lap doesn't always translate to race performance - Alonso is proof of this. It's also no secret Jenson is smarter in the race.
Lewis got 9 times more pole positions than Jenson whilst at McLaren, but as well all know anything and everything can happen on the sunday, and just as we saw last year with Lewis, it usually does.
Anyway, people can argue all they want on here as to who is better, it's not going to change some people's opinions no matter the facts.
Personally, I think Alonso is the most complete driver on the grid. Not the outright fastest, but the best overall package. He's just only ever had an outright competitive car in 2 of the last 7 seasons (2007 and 2010).
Apart from he can't set up a car, if he could set up a car, he would be so much better, he's fast, smooth, tactical thinker. He hasn't got out right speed. But complete driver he is not. bet, Alonso, Kili, LH are all better than him on average. It really is his poor set up and poor qualify that takes the edge of him.
Do you really think a driver in F1 for that long doesn't know how to set up a car
Really?Do you really think a driver in F1 for that long doesn't know how to set up a car
He can't, he needs it set up exactly and he fails to do it. Others can compensate, he can't.
Do you really think a driver in F1 for that long doesn't know how to set up a car
Yeah, the "Jenson can't set a car up" thing is ridiculous.
Since he has been in a competitive car he has won the WDC (in his first season in a competitive car).
In 2010 he next moves to another "competitive" car and as expected didn't out perform his team mate as he was getting used to new surroundings/factory/people/personnel and last but certainly not least, a completely and utterly different car... factor in that Lewis had helped and been developing the '10 car way before Jenson even signed for Mclaren...
Jenson then goes on to utterly trounce Lewis in 2011 and was Vettel's only rival in the last 5 or so races...
In 2012 he had a shaky start but when the car got better at the half way point he was getting consistent performances in the top 3 etc. (or did Belgium for example in 2012 show evidence of his apparent inability to set a car up?)
Lewis would not be doing anything different this season imo, at all. The car is reprehensibly to blame for this season's misgivings.
The thing with Jenson is that he is more vocal about the balance issues with the car than a lot of other drivers.
It's not just vocal though is it, due to not setting the balance up too his liking he is a poor qualifier, which makes his race a lot harder, this is where he falls down. If he could set the car upto his liking, we've seen he can qualify and his race pace and tactics is excellent.
2010 Jb qualified on average 2 places behind LH
2011 1place
2012 3 places
This is because he can't set up the car how he likes, and when it's not set up how he likes, it is far more than just him being vocal. His driving suffers.
2010 Jb qualified on average 2 places behind LH
2011 1place
2012 3 places
This is because he can't set up the car how he likes, and when it's not set up how he likes, it is far more than just him being vocal. His driving suffers.
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