Caporegime
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Jesus people, it's badly written, or I should say well written troll bait.
Almost certainly what the truth will be is the main engine guy will tell them when it's safe to push the engine harder. If you push overtake mode the whole time you'll have a hotter engine with less life in it.
The article fails to mention that both Mercedes drivers throughout the entire season have been told not to use the overtake button, or more commonly, you can use the overtake button now, for x number of laps or we've heard say towards the end of a race, you can use it till the end.
Mercedes themselves are limited by the people making that call. The engines both have to survive, have to do multiple races and fuel is an issue. With the number of times they've been released to use overtake at the end of a race it's very likely to do with fuel saving as well, IE if you stay in that mode you won't make the end due to fuel usage.
I don't for a second think that a team would be paying anywhere from £5-8mil an engine(I've not seen any certain numbers, just guesses saying Ferrari were the cheapest, Renault the most expensive and various rumours of prices) that they would pay for one where the lead manufacturer can deny them BHP on a whim throughout the season. How many times has Hamilton been stuck behind one or both Williams, how many times have the Merc's been unable to pass them with DRS because the Williams are pushing full pelt down the straights? If Merc could tell them to not use the overtake button to defend, every one of those passes would be as easy as Vettel on Vergne/Riccy last season.
But again the fact that Hamilton and Rosberg have numerous times all year been told to not use overtake mode, or that they can use it for a few laps now, etc. It's a limit ALL the teams have and him putting it that way is serious click bait to get hits.
Also, seriously jaybee, you couldn't just quote the relevant paragraph?
Each team, including Ferrari, RBR and Merc, have a lead guy for pretty much everything. If the brakes guy tells the race engineer to tell his driver to cool the brakes, the drivers cool the brakes, if they say save fuel or you won't make it, they save fuel, if the engine guy says, you're operating at unsafe temps, you turn the engine down. Trying to suggest this is new, exclusive to Merc customer teams and that it's an unfair advantage that only the customers put up with is ridiculous.
Williams are likely just the most limited on the overtake button due to the fact they seem to under fuel... heavily. They have since the start of the season shown significantly lower fuel usage than even Hamilton, where the Merc beats out every other car and Hamilton beats out Rosberg in fuel efficiency, the Williams are another step up in efficiency. There is no chance they aren't under fuelling as part of their general strategy, meaning they will certainly be least capable of using the least efficient engine modes as a result. That is a tactical choice on the part of Williams.
Almost certainly what the truth will be is the main engine guy will tell them when it's safe to push the engine harder. If you push overtake mode the whole time you'll have a hotter engine with less life in it.
The article fails to mention that both Mercedes drivers throughout the entire season have been told not to use the overtake button, or more commonly, you can use the overtake button now, for x number of laps or we've heard say towards the end of a race, you can use it till the end.
Mercedes themselves are limited by the people making that call. The engines both have to survive, have to do multiple races and fuel is an issue. With the number of times they've been released to use overtake at the end of a race it's very likely to do with fuel saving as well, IE if you stay in that mode you won't make the end due to fuel usage.
I don't for a second think that a team would be paying anywhere from £5-8mil an engine(I've not seen any certain numbers, just guesses saying Ferrari were the cheapest, Renault the most expensive and various rumours of prices) that they would pay for one where the lead manufacturer can deny them BHP on a whim throughout the season. How many times has Hamilton been stuck behind one or both Williams, how many times have the Merc's been unable to pass them with DRS because the Williams are pushing full pelt down the straights? If Merc could tell them to not use the overtake button to defend, every one of those passes would be as easy as Vettel on Vergne/Riccy last season.
But again the fact that Hamilton and Rosberg have numerous times all year been told to not use overtake mode, or that they can use it for a few laps now, etc. It's a limit ALL the teams have and him putting it that way is serious click bait to get hits.
Also, seriously jaybee, you couldn't just quote the relevant paragraph?
Each team, including Ferrari, RBR and Merc, have a lead guy for pretty much everything. If the brakes guy tells the race engineer to tell his driver to cool the brakes, the drivers cool the brakes, if they say save fuel or you won't make it, they save fuel, if the engine guy says, you're operating at unsafe temps, you turn the engine down. Trying to suggest this is new, exclusive to Merc customer teams and that it's an unfair advantage that only the customers put up with is ridiculous.
Williams are likely just the most limited on the overtake button due to the fact they seem to under fuel... heavily. They have since the start of the season shown significantly lower fuel usage than even Hamilton, where the Merc beats out every other car and Hamilton beats out Rosberg in fuel efficiency, the Williams are another step up in efficiency. There is no chance they aren't under fuelling as part of their general strategy, meaning they will certainly be least capable of using the least efficient engine modes as a result. That is a tactical choice on the part of Williams.
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