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Handled poorly? Roar, you are absurd, we already know that but you’re now going to defend the governments handling of PPE?

Step back, and realise you are allowed to be critical of your precious party but can still support them.

You must actually be Boris or Mr Hancock himself!
 
Ahleckz said:
Handled poorly? Roar, you are absurd, we already know that but you’re now going to defend the governments handling of PPE?

Step back, and realise you are allowed to be critical of your precious party but can still support them.

You must actually be Boris or Mr Hancock himself!
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I'm sympathetic towards the conditions that the people at the Ministry for Health must have been under during April of last year when they were suddenly tasked with acquiring millions of pieces of PPE while competing against every other country in the world, Matt Hancock wasn't sat there dishing out contracts himself, it was a team of people given an impossible job and they did the best they could. Yes among hundreds of contracts there was a lot of wasted money and hopefully some lessons have been learned.
 
"a lot of wasted money"

Yes...which the majority have direct links to the Tory party whilst ignoring those with direct experience in the very product they were trying to source.

Its corruption at its finest.
 
Roar87 said:
I'm sympathetic towards the conditions that the people at the Ministry for Health must have been under during April of last year when they were suddenly tasked with acquiring millions of pieces of PPE while competing against every other country in the world, Matt Hancock wasn't sat there dishing out contracts himself, it was a team of people given an impossible job and they did the best they could. Yes among hundreds of contracts there was a lot of wasted money and hopefully some lessons have been learned.
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Perhaps if they'd taken it seriously from the outset then they wouldn't have been under such pressure to procure PPE... :thunk:
 
You guys must work in proper cushy jobs if you can't understand why there was some leakage. The government procurement processes are notoriously a pain to deal with, which is why people bang on about how lucrative public sector contracts are if you can secure them.

As someone rightly pointed out, securing billions of items of PPE was required last minute.com, against the word stage, with a supply that could only go far so quickly. Procurement rules were relaxed and some bad eggs got in. It isn't like you can ring around the yellow pages to find a supplier of X million n95 masks, is it. I doubt many Torys, as much as you like to bash the political party as if any other party would do any better, had a list of friends able to mobilise a fraudulent company selling PPE that would pass all the tests at such notice but I don't doubt the chaos presented an opportunity.

At the end of the day, it is just money, and it'll be a rounding error compared to the actual cost of the pandemic.
 
I'm out of the loop on this one. Is this new law just for during the pandemic, for social distancing reasons, or on general?
 
Acme said:
I'm out of the loop on this one. Is this new law just for during the pandemic, for social distancing reasons, or on general?
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It's a general thing, the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill seeks to change and update various things - the stuff relating to protests is one part of it.
 
d_brennen said:
"Some leakage into my mate's pocket"

I'd face criminal charges at my cushy job!
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If it turned out to be a total scam, yes. Equally, if it turned out your recommendation was "bad" for whatever reason - it reflects badly on the person making the recommendation. It would have been totally different if you made a recommendation for your friend at work and it played out equitably for all involved wouldn't it. I don't see how this is any different.

One of the contracts went to a firm that acquired £165m worth of masks that the NHS then concluded needed string not elastic to secure them to your face... Surely common sense would prevail and be thankful we have the major component, can someone nip to Wilkos and get some string...

It isn't all face value reporting as government bashing is such a sport in the UK.
 
d_brennen said:
"Some leakage into my mate's pocket"

I'd face criminal charges at my cushy job!
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You realise Labour MPs could also submit companies who they believe could procure PPE and many did that and contracts were awarded to those companies? There was actually a process to fast track companies that MPs could vouch for, not just Tory MPs, because they needed PPE asap. If you're in government at the time of a crisis of that scale you're going to use the contacts you have to try and secure PPE because it was a national emergency of a wartime scale, yet you're there in your cushty job a year later telling people they should be thrown in jail because they knew the people who were awarded contracts, like no **** they were asked to bring forward people they knew.

And on topic this kind of thinking is what makes people feel empowered to go smash up Police stations, set vans on fire and assault Police officers, idiotic reasoning from people who *think* they're intelligent.
 
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There's recommending suitable companies and there's giving billions of public money to firms owned by friends and bed fellows who have ZERO experience in fulfilling the contract requirement.

But it's all the European Union's fault for something something
 
Longbow said:
Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. There's a video breakdown here:

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That's actually a really clear, balanced and we'll thought out videos, criticises both sides when they are unreasonable, lays out the cases both ways.

Not come across that source before, but now subscribed. Genuine thanks from me.
 
d_brennen said:
There's recommending suitable companies and there's giving billions of public money to firms owned by friends and bed fellows who have ZERO experience in fulfilling the contract requirement.

But it's all the European Union's fault for something something
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Well somehow all of the big ones under fire managed to deliver millions of bits of PPE. Quality suffered in favour of time and cost. Like every project in the world.

I'm just thankful we have folk who can shake a hand, make a call, and get billions of random bits of stuff delivered at a moments notice. Thank god we didn't need it.
 
Roar87 said:
You were probably too busy calling her "Maybot" to pay attention to her Politics
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Not at all, in fact I've never heard the term.

Truth be told I've only started paying attention to politics in the past few years. Prior to that it was just something that happened and so be it. But recently a lot of things have been happening that directly affect me, and make me angry.

So I begrudgingly started to half pay attention.

Also probably something to do with my age. I'm guessing it isn't unusual to not give a toss until you're in your mid 20's.
 
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