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of course it is, why should QT be a requirement of itunes?
i've never like itunes. even when it works there's always better ways of doing things.
i've never like itunes. even when it works there's always better ways of doing things.
Because it uses QuickTime to play back all the files. That's like deleting mshtml.dll and complaining when Internet Explorer won't work.
Installing iTunes installs QuickTime automatically, it's not like it's something you have to do seperately. What's the issue with just leaving it installed?
Installing iTunes installs QuickTime automatically, it's not like it's something you have to do seperately. What's the issue with just leaving it installed?
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itunes uses a media codec to playback audio? well, there's a problem right there. PLease dont try and tell me thats normal because it isnt. foobar and winamp work fine with QTA, better infact. There's no reaosn to use qt to play back audio files.
as for the issue with quick time, well there wouldnt be a quicktime alternative if there werent any issues, would there? the quick time player installs a lot of crap that isnt needed, stuff which bogs the system down. much like itunes infact.
with both quicktime and real alternatives installed,ffdshow + media player classic, all my video needs are taken care of. For audio, foobar and a kernal streaming plugin is infinatly better than itunes.
as for the issue with quick time, well there wouldnt be a quicktime alternative if there werent any issues, would there? the quick time player installs a lot of crap that isnt needed, stuff which bogs the system down. much like itunes infact.
with both quicktime and real alternatives installed,ffdshow + media player classic, all my video needs are taken care of. For audio, foobar and a kernal streaming plugin is infinatly better than itunes.
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james.miller said:
And takes infinitely more time to set up. iTunes is a piece of software bundled with iPods sold to the public. It's meant to be easy to set up and use, and it is.
I'm interested in hearing what QuickTime installs that bogs my system down. At the moment QuickTime isn't running, and no services / processes are running for it, so I can't see how my system is being bogged down by it.
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no it doesnt. thats an excuse people who havent used it use. install, download the plugin, done. what takes so long? only customising the interface takes time, but that doesnt need to be done does it?
and, for that matter, the alternatives. Download, install, done. I fail to see whats so hard or time consuming about that. If you want an argument over this dont bother, because the issue isnt how hard you think installing foobar is. its about itunes' shortfalls.
Yes and it also installs ipod services for people that dont have ipods. Thats another reason i dont like it.
and, for that matter, the alternatives. Download, install, done. I fail to see whats so hard or time consuming about that. If you want an argument over this dont bother, because the issue isnt how hard you think installing foobar is. its about itunes' shortfalls.
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Yes and it also installs ipod services for people that dont have ipods. Thats another reason i dont like it.
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I'm not prepared to argue the time it takes to set things up, as it depends on who's doing the setting up. I have tried using Foobar before and it didn't suit me. Of course the fact that QuickTime works perfectly for me might go some way to explaining why I see no need to ditch iTunes.
Your sole purpose in audio threads seems to be to rip on iPods and iTunes, just accept it's not for you and move on. You don't need to save the rest of the world from the Apple menace.
Your sole purpose in audio threads seems to be to rip on iPods and iTunes, just accept it's not for you and move on. You don't need to save the rest of the world from the Apple menace.
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what are you talking about 
if im ever going give an opinion on software or hardware, i do it honestly and with experiance. do a search on my name and you'll see the few comments i've made on itunes, and the honest reviews ive done.
itunes:
* is not drag and drop software with an ipod
* is not a serious audio ripper
* is not the best audio player
* installs needless services
if *any* of this isnt true, then sue me. otherwise you've got no idea what your talking about and i suggest you keep quiet on that subject.
if im ever going give an opinion on software or hardware, i do it honestly and with experiance. do a search on my name and you'll see the few comments i've made on itunes, and the honest reviews ive done.itunes:
* is not drag and drop software with an ipod
* is not a serious audio ripper
* is not the best audio player
* installs needless services
if *any* of this isnt true, then sue me. otherwise you've got no idea what your talking about and i suggest you keep quiet on that subject.
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So you've stated one fact, two opinions, and something which isn't true. iTunes is designed to be used with an iPod, the iPod services are there to detect when an iPod is plugged in and load iTunes automatically. I have no idea what "serious audio ripper" means but it manages to get music off my CDs and onto my computer quite successfully and I couldn't care less if EAC would do a slightly better job.james.miller said:
I'm not sure what you take issue with, tell me entering a thread about using an iPod as a removable drive and posting
adds to the thread? Oh you like players that aren't iPods? I needed a reminder, thanks.
james.miller said:what are you talking about
itunes:
* is not drag and drop software with an ipod
* is not a serious audio ripper
* is not the best audio player
* installs needless services
if *any* of this isnt true, then sue me. otherwise you've got no idea what your talking about and i suggest you keep quiet on that subject.
You can drag and drop in iTunes with an iPod, I do it with my mums shuffle. Can I ask why it isn't a serious audio ripper? what defines a serious audio ripper? Personally I love iTunes, it's made for me really. The UI is clean and V.easy to use, no clutter. It's simple to use, install, import, play, nothing else. My iPod syncs easily (in all honesty 99.9% of the time) It allows me to browse my music using artwork, album list and in standard mode which I like and it also plays .AAC files which I use
Although I love iTunes 7 it is a memory hog and the sound bug is driving me nuts 
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ok the drag and drop issue started with an argument a while ago on the forums. Basically, the reason i said its not drag and drop with an ipod is that you cant drag a folder into itues and have it sync to the ipod in exacty the same order as that folder. Not unless the tags are perfect.
The definition of 'drag and drop' is to directly manipulate a file into a folder. you're not doing this with itunes because the ipod builds its own database and creates its own file order on the player itself.
UMS mp3 players dont do this. with my iriver h10 or my i-station i2, i just plug it in, acees it as a removable drive and drop the folder straight on. Thats drag and drop.
* serious audio ripper
firstly encoding - you cant customise the software enough. You can't use the latest version of the best mp3 encoder (lame) and you cant use the advanced options. All that means the files produced wont sound as good as a proper encoded lame file.
secondly, as a ripper, it is nowhere near as good as EAC - widely regarded as the best ripper there is, especially with scraqtched or damaged disks.
EAC+ lame as far as im concerned are the best you can get. Unless, as i have said before, you want to use a lossless codec. in which case EAC is still the best ripper, and works perfectly well with say...monkies audio for instance.
so - itunes is not the best ripper.
* not the best audio player
Well this is an easy one, really. What you want from an audio player is pretty personal really, but one thing that is for certain is that any player+kernal streaming will produce a better sound quality than itunes which, unless this has changed recently, doesnt have that capability. everything else is optional but for S.Q, itunes looses.
* installs needless services
well, ive just explained this one. relying on quicktime full and installing the ipod services even if you dont have one. its not needed.
any other questions, fire away
The definition of 'drag and drop' is to directly manipulate a file into a folder. you're not doing this with itunes because the ipod builds its own database and creates its own file order on the player itself.
UMS mp3 players dont do this. with my iriver h10 or my i-station i2, i just plug it in, acees it as a removable drive and drop the folder straight on. Thats drag and drop.
* serious audio ripper
firstly encoding - you cant customise the software enough. You can't use the latest version of the best mp3 encoder (lame) and you cant use the advanced options. All that means the files produced wont sound as good as a proper encoded lame file.
secondly, as a ripper, it is nowhere near as good as EAC - widely regarded as the best ripper there is, especially with scraqtched or damaged disks.
EAC+ lame as far as im concerned are the best you can get. Unless, as i have said before, you want to use a lossless codec. in which case EAC is still the best ripper, and works perfectly well with say...monkies audio for instance.
so - itunes is not the best ripper.
* not the best audio player
Well this is an easy one, really. What you want from an audio player is pretty personal really, but one thing that is for certain is that any player+kernal streaming will produce a better sound quality than itunes which, unless this has changed recently, doesnt have that capability. everything else is optional but for S.Q, itunes looses.
* installs needless services
well, ive just explained this one. relying on quicktime full and installing the ipod services even if you dont have one. its not needed.
because using an ipod as such is a pain in the arse. everything has to be seperate and you're limited in the removable drive size. with ums players you are not. I didnt realise you wanted it this simple.Caged said:
any other questions, fire away
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I've always understood drag and drop as just dragging a track (from iTunes) onto the iPod. I still regard it as drag and drop (even if it's not technically drag'n'drop)
I've just ticked it, I'll restart itune and try it, cheers
EDIT: No, the audio still messes up
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I've just ticked it, I'll restart itune and try it, cheers
EDIT: No, the audio still messes up
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Caged said:
I'd hardly call Uninstalling QuickTime "Hacking it to pieces", would you?
I hate the fact that whenever I play a file in Quicktime, the taskbar icon is displayed. It also adds itself to start when you turn on your computer. Disabling it in Msconfig works fine, until you have to use Quicktime again... and voilá, it's back at startup.
Quicktime alternative means I can play Quicktime .mov's in MPC, so I don't have to use Quicktime just to play 1 type of media. It therefore becomes a redundant program, as it's not being used.
So I uninstall it. Oh, and what do you know, iTunes 7 actually *needs* it to work. It literally forces you to have it installed on your PC.
So, for me, sticking with 6.2 = the best option.
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Caged said:
Ok, fair enough... but it doesn't change the fact that it's a redundant piece of software.
I have to agree itues is not a serious piece of software what with one of the most basic functions that I know everyone uses in Windows Medai Player missing in itunes. The ability to double click on one song and it starts playing and while its playing you browse the rest of your collection double clicking on songs you want to hear and they automatically get qued up in 'Now Playing List'