Indeed, but the point is that it's no more scary than an out of warranty replacement for a knackered engine or gearbox; and given that an EV has neither of these, then on strength of probability, you're probably safer buying a used EV than you are a used conventional vehicle.
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Indeed, but the point is that it's no more scary than an out of warranty replacement for a knackered engine or gearbox; and given that an EV has neither of these, then on strength of probability, you're probably safer buying a used EV than you are a used conventional vehicle.
Tens of thousands based on what? From what I could see, even the larger Tesla packs were sub 10 and that's only likely to be cheaper in 5 years time when this might start to present as an issue
I cant imagine that ever being a question that anyone has to ask.
Whichever is the better car, probably the EV if the country is full of people panicking about the battery and you end up getting a 5 series EV vs a 3 series ICE for example.
Lets also consider that in 15 years time, the landscape for maintaining and fuelling an ICE vehicle could look considerably different than it does today.
Lets also consider that in 15 years time, the landscape for maintaining and fuelling an ICE vehicle could look considerably different than it does today.
Yet plenty of people still buy and drive around in cars that old. In fact a lot of old petrol cars are currently going UP in value.
Only because of yet another virtually baseless panic induced by 'omg government will ban all the diesel'. They went down in value when no one wanted them because 'omg diesel does 10000mpg and petrol only does 5mpg'.
same as most 15 year old car, its bangernomics as long as it has an mot and runs fine, then that's what matters. cars that old you aren't going to change the engine or battery on(excluding classics and other such vehicles). personally, when dealing with things that old I would take the ev, you can see how good the battery is before buying and after that it has far less to go wrong than an ice.
(i've killed 4 ICE bangernomic cars in the last 12months)
also you can not compare an ev battery pack to a phone or laptop. phones/laptops etc don't have good BMS or cooling. two things that kill batteries, operating out of temp range and fully charging-discharging. something phones/laptops do not protect against but things like tesla very much do.
Jeremy, you're talking about 15 years from now and comparing it to behaviour today? Is the world still going to be the same place then? I dont think so. There will be lots of changes. Lots.
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Precisely. People buying 15 year old cars are doing so for a pittance and probably not expecting them to last long anyway (classic examples notwithstanding). So they are unlikely to be any more phased by the battery being 15 years old and perhaps only have in 90% of it's original capacity, than they would be about any of the numerous other things that you would worry about with an old ICE car (worn piston rings, timebelt maintenance, gearbox bearings, etc etc). Given that the EV doesn't even have any of these components to fail, then really, the only thing to worry about is the battery, so I maintain that it would probably be the less risky option to buy.
This is also a very good point I hadn't considered - a battery can tell you how healthy it is or isn't. It wouldn't surprise me if as the second hand EV car market grows you start to see 'Battery Capacity Remaining' or something alongside the normal mileage you get in adverts. It won't be a complete lottery as to whether you're buying something with only 20% of it's cells still working or not, it'll be able to tell you this information.
It's very interesting the way people with objections to EVs are shifting their focus with time. First it was performance ("who wants to drive a milk float", in the G-Wiz days). Then when you could only squeeze 80 miles out of one before charging, range became the target. Now it seems to be reliability, which suits the objectors as a full picture may only emerge over a timeframe of several years. This allows them to maintain their doubts and gives some justification for doing so, despite data being available on battery packs which are already several years old with hundreds of charging cycles under their belts.
Subjective reasons for not wanting to switch are more legitimate, things like lack of a particular audible character which is present with engines above 4 cylinders. Weight is another, cost is a bona fide reason too.
But I doubt reliability has reason to be.
Subjective reasons for not wanting to switch are more legitimate, things like lack of a particular audible character which is present with engines above 4 cylinders. Weight is another, cost is a bona fide reason too.
But I doubt reliability has reason to be.
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Saw one in Cov Outskirts today, white no camouflage. Awesome.
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Neither thanks? Which would go for almost all likely buyers of a car like this, too.
No the range on an entry level Model X is actually more than an I-Pace with a much smaller battery (75kw 237 EPA vs 90kw 220 EPA estimated*), this is something that I highlighted as a concern in the OP. The X is also a full size 7 seat (full size 3rd row) SUV where the I-Pace is more of a cross over and a much smaller car. EPA range is achievable for most people.
I'm sorry but almost every touch screen in a car is utter garbage other than Tesla. They are the only ones to do it correctly. Did you watch the video that showed the infotainment system on the first page? It was a lag fest and you need to use it to get the most out of it, that really isn't good for such a high end car.
Also lots of black glossy plastic on the infotainment system and near the glove box. Yuck. The rest of the interior looks good though.
One thing that is worth noting though with all this battery replacement talk. In terms of garage labor it is actually really easy and simple to swap the pack so there is a saving there. Anyone competent could do it on their drive if they had enough jacks, the hardest part is getting it lined up due to the weight. A Telsa pack just drops right out and a new one bolted in place, I believe a Leaf is similar. There is nothing stopping you using a 2nd hand pack from a crashed car either, there are lots of electric conversions going on at the moment using crashed EV's battery packs.
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The criticism of touchscreens in cars is not borne out of how unresponsive they are, or how well they are laid out; it's because that in order to use it effectively, you need to look at it. Which is obviously a fundamentally bad idea when you're driving. It's not so bad when it's just for non essential things like media, but they seem to be being used for more and more functions.
Was the Range Rover Velar where even the climate controls were touch screens? That's the sort of thing you should be able to adjust by feel without taking your hands off the wheel. Until tactile touchscreens become widespread, I'm of the same opinion - not a great idea in cars
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That lag was odd, I haven’t seen that delay in anything I’ve driven. Range Rover Velar is pretty much what’s in this as you have the configurable dials too, just different GUI layers and skin.
Terrible to have limited control on the climate system though, I’m forever tweaking that AUTO 21C setting....
Terrible to have limited control on the climate system though, I’m forever tweaking that AUTO 21C setting....
No need to be sarcastic just because I've cited RR as an example. My temperature settings rarely change while driving, true. But I sometimes adjust the fan speed depending on comfort, it or switch on recirculation. And some people still do fiddle with settings on the move. Touchscreens are great for allowing lots of dynamic functions and decluttering the dash, but I think their integration should be carefully considered and not relied on too much.
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Fair enough - sorry.
I think the dials will set as fan speed then with a click to press to then adjust temperature in the main vehicle menu.
I recall finding it all a bit overwhelming then by the end of the weekend it’s pretty logically laid out with simple layers and I think its great.
Model 3 seems mad as you use the touchscreen to control the vent direction - admittedly it’s a pretty slick finger position in a box.
I think the dials will set as fan speed then with a click to press to then adjust temperature in the main vehicle menu.
I recall finding it all a bit overwhelming then by the end of the weekend it’s pretty logically laid out with simple layers and I think its great.
Model 3 seems mad as you use the touchscreen to control the vent direction - admittedly it’s a pretty slick finger position in a box.
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