James Cameron's 'Avatar' - The next gen of cinema
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The fact the majority of the people in this thread have come back from seeing this and had nothing but praise for it I think means the hype is perfectly justified.
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As I said all along, it's well worth going to see at the Cinema in 3D it's something a bit special, take away the 3D aspect and the cinema experiance it will still look very good.
The film itself isn't anything out standing, just the visuals are (esp in 3D)
The film itself isn't anything out standing, just the visuals are (esp in 3D)
The film itself isn't anything out standing, just the visuals are (esp in 3D)
I disagree, I personally think the movie IS something outstanding and I also think that in itself it IS a good movie even in 2D outside of the cinema in poorer quality *cough* and many people I know agree with me, so please give the "it's nothing special" drum a rest for a while. You are welcome to your opinion and I respect it, however this crusader like mission you seem to have taken upon yourself to "educate" us all is getting REALLY tiring.
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And so is the even bigger barrage of people saying "OMG it's the best film ever!!" What some of us here are trying to do is "educate" people into being able the tell the difference between good special effects and a good film. A good film requires things like an intelligent script and good acting for instance: two things Avatar is lacking. You are correct that this argument will go on for ever, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have it.
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The movie Avatar seems to effect people in two major ways. Most people feel elated from the experience, others dont feel it and look closer at the script and technicalities of the movie.
Everyone knows Avatar doesn't have the best script or the most original story, but the movie isn't about that. To me its plainly obvious. Its about the immersion and of walking in Jake's footsteps and getting swept up in the world and culture of the Na'vi.
You only need to look at the response all over the world to see that this is the case. People 99% of the time, when they goto the cinema, couldn't give a **** about how intelligent or original a scipt is, they instead go to have an experience, to disapear for 2 hours into the world on screen.
James Cameron seems to understand that and has made a film that wraps people in (even if it is unorginal in its most stripped down form) so far that its become as popular as it is
Everyone knows Avatar doesn't have the best script or the most original story, but the movie isn't about that. To me its plainly obvious. Its about the immersion and of walking in Jake's footsteps and getting swept up in the world and culture of the Na'vi.
You only need to look at the response all over the world to see that this is the case. People 99% of the time, when they goto the cinema, couldn't give a **** about how intelligent or original a scipt is, they instead go to have an experience, to disapear for 2 hours into the world on screen.
James Cameron seems to understand that and has made a film that wraps people in (even if it is unorginal in its most stripped down form) so far that its become as popular as it is
Avatar may not have had the greatest acting or best script but it had bags of feel good energy.
Its like going to see a live band - the vocals and music don't have to be great but you still get blown away by the raw energy of the performance.
The story and characters were not great but both were engaging.
There have been plenty of big budget special effect films over the years that people go to see in their numbers but don't think are great but effects were great. This film could easily have gone down that route leaving people underwhelmed but the blend of characters, special effects and story was nailed for this film.
Basically the energy from this film is making people leave the cinema thinking wow and that is what makes it a great film.
Its like going to see a live band - the vocals and music don't have to be great but you still get blown away by the raw energy of the performance.
The story and characters were not great but both were engaging.
There have been plenty of big budget special effect films over the years that people go to see in their numbers but don't think are great but effects were great. This film could easily have gone down that route leaving people underwhelmed but the blend of characters, special effects and story was nailed for this film.
Basically the energy from this film is making people leave the cinema thinking wow and that is what makes it a great film.
I went to see it on Monday. Can't say I thought it was a feel good movie. I found it rather depressing; although that was as much because of the real world themes it played off as anything else.
It should have been a bad movie; there are so many things about it that are wrong - Unobtainium? Cringe. The dubious racial sterotyping. The use of pure fantasy nonsense whilst thinly papering it with a pretence of being science fiction - but despite that it managed to be an amazing and engrossing experience.
It's definetly the best use of 3d I've seen; it added to the existing quality of the imagery rather than distracting from it like the other 3ds I've seen - but I still can't see 3D being a big player in future films.
It should have been a bad movie; there are so many things about it that are wrong - Unobtainium? Cringe. The dubious racial sterotyping. The use of pure fantasy nonsense whilst thinly papering it with a pretence of being science fiction - but despite that it managed to be an amazing and engrossing experience.
It's definetly the best use of 3d I've seen; it added to the existing quality of the imagery rather than distracting from it like the other 3ds I've seen - but I still can't see 3D being a big player in future films.
oh the ironing
Why don't you give this "its the best film evaaa" a rest?
If you take away the amazing expirence of the cinema, it lacks
There is more to film then looking nice, Avatar looks nice, but lacks in other departments
Feel free to carry on with your crusade about it being the best film ever
Why don't you give this "its the best film evaaa" a rest?
If you take away the amazing experience of the cinema, it lacks
For god sake you really didn't get it did you.
I "think" it's a great film, I don't think it's the "best" film and that is my opinion, it doesn't not make me right in the same way yours does not make you right. Also your being put on ignore, there are some levels of arrogancy I just can't put up with.
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Saw the IMAX 3D "Experience" in Manchester, thought I might as well do it properly if I was going to watch it.
Awesome visuals, brilliant sound & music and average story. I would quite like to see it again on IMAX 3D simply because it may be the last time I ever watch it as I know I won't bother with it on DVD/Blu-ray. It's all about the giant screen & sound for this one.
Awesome visuals, brilliant sound & music and average story. I would quite like to see it again on IMAX 3D simply because it may be the last time I ever watch it as I know I won't bother with it on DVD/Blu-ray. It's all about the giant screen & sound for this one.
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One thing that would stop from making all this money and being so ridiculously popular. To be honest, no-one's really "educating" anyone as those who like the movie don't care and those that don't are converted anyway.
The Dark Knight was another movie that had a simplistic script and was extremely successful as a result.
Intelligent and simplistic are not opposites, and I certainly never claimed that they were. It's perfectly possible to have a linear, simple, script which is also intelligent. Avatar managed two out of three, but missed the wrong one.
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No-one said it was. The problem is, that is what good films are about, as opposed to mediocre ones with good sfx. The whole reason we are saying that it's not a good film is that it is missing those elements. Hell, not even a completely original story is needed: just new riffs on an old one would do, but even that didn't happen. In Avatar everything is subsumed to how pretty it looks. If Ferrari produced a car that looks as good as a 355, but was powered by elastic bands and used a washing machine drum as the steering wheel you'd rightly say it was a bad car, no matter how gorgeous it looked. So why do people immediately drop their standards to "looks are all that matters" when it comes to films?
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To be honest the point makes itself when everyone says you have to watch it at the cinema and at home it just won't be good enough. The mark of a good film is one which is good wherever you watch it, on a 4" iPhone screen, a 42" plasma or an IMAX cinema. Sure, being in a cinema enhanced many films but i've never seen so many people comment that a film is only worth watching in the cinema about any other movie.
edit - total change of topic but I just checked the post counts of the thread:
Spot the Avatar fan
edit - total change of topic but I just checked the post counts of the thread:
Code:
User Name Posts
NeilFawcett 176
Evangelion 56
Chimerical 54
Tummy 40
Gustov 35Spot the Avatar fan
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I don't see how. The Dark Knight didn't have a particularly intelligent script, it wasn't anything new and based too much emphasis on the audience suspending their disbelief of a man walking around in a bat costume and not being laughed at. It was a good film but it really wasn't amazingly intellectual.
Because films are a visual experience and if audiences were only interested in story they'd just read books instead. It's easy to work out how one element can make up for another or infact how the presence of one element ultimately means another element will suffer. Wanna spend $500m on a movie starring Thundersmurfs and have the whole thing look like a PS3 videogame? Then write a script which definitely appeals to everyone and attach totally nonsense human themes to otherworldy creatures (i.e. they come from another planet but somehow display the exact character traits of the Native Americans).
The visual elements of this film undoubtedly compromise the script. They just do and it was necessary.
Fundamentally a film is about gaining an emotional response through imagery. That's why I have to disagree that for a film to be classed as good it needs a good script and acting when a film could be made with no actors or script.
This is why films work best on the big screen and why films with weak scripts and acting can still be enjoyable. The visuals evoke the required emotional responses.
Wall-E is a good example.
This is why films work best on the big screen and why films with weak scripts and acting can still be enjoyable. The visuals evoke the required emotional responses.
Wall-E is a good example.
How do you get those statistics?
To be honest the point makes itself when everyone says you have to watch it at the cinema and at home it just won't be good enough. The mark of a good film is one which is good wherever you watch it, on a 4" iPhone screen, a 42" plasma or an IMAX cinema. Sure, being in a cinema enhanced many films but i've never seen so many people comment that a film is only worth watching in the cinema about any other movie.
edit - total change of topic but I just checked the post counts of the thread:
Code:User Name Posts NeilFawcett 176 Evangelion 56 Chimerical 54 Tummy 40 Gustov 35
Spot the Avatar fan
Yeh! What do I win?