** January Transfer Window 2011/12 Season Rumours/Signings **

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David Craig on SSN confirming that it's not his real agent stirring the s***, that he's happy at Newcastle and is very greatfull for them taking him on when the "big clubs" weren't interested. Also that the release clause isn't just as simple as putting x amount of money on Newcastle's desk.
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The Running Man said:
That part was a bit tongue in cheek of course we wouldst offload Rooney like that.

sell berbatov to psg and get carroll? What's the harm in that? Berb barely plays, will be on similar money etc...
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You don't seriously believe this is a serious option/has a chance of happening do you?
 
shipinabottle said:
I think you're being a bit sarcastic with the Carroll idea, but you're right on the useless crosses, it frustrates me to see us spamming them in at Rooney, he isn't that type of player, he had 1 season where for some bizarre reason he got a lot of headers, but nothing indicates we should play long ball or spam crosses. the best football is to the play intricately around the box with slip balls on the edges of the area, that's when we've looked our best, at the beginning of the season with cleverley and in pre-season, the football was a delight to watch as it was slick, intricate, 1 touch passing through the defense.

But then again, I'm a Nani-hater, think he's **** poor 95% of the time.
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Wow see this guy kinda watches the same games that i do. Ideally intricate passing is the way forward...

We haven't ever really managed it. our players are not technically good enough to do it.

And even if we could do it, we still need plan B. we don't have it right now and that's why we fail when we play these smaller clubs. just accept you can't always win pretty and do what u need to do to win.
 
I definetely think the way forward is for Man Utd to be more like Bolton circa 2006.

I also think they should get rid of their senile old manager and get someone forward thinking in, like Sam Allardyce.
 
A2M said:
I definetely think the way forward is for Man Utd to be more like Bolton circa 2006.

I also think they should get rid of their senile old manager and get someone forward thinking in, like Sam Allardyce.
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Rubbish the way to go is obviously Rory Delap + Nikola Žigić ;)
 
A2M said:
I definetely think the way forward is for Man Utd to be more like Bolton circa 2006.

I also think they should get rid of their senile old manager and get someone forward thinking in, like Sam Allardyce.
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Odd because Germany don't play like bolton 06 and still use a big man up front?

There's also chelsea with drogba and lukaku. but yea lets stick to bolton shall we? You do know a thing called football exists outside of the pennines right?
 
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The Running Man said:
Ill list some more for you.

dortmund - jan koller.
Bayern - gomez.
Spain - llorrente.

Spain are obviously just like bolton...
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Real Madrid and Barcelona are the two best teams in World Football at the minute and don't play long ball big man football. Sit down. Be quiet.

Route one, hoof ball has no place in the modern game.
 
lol, sure, Gomez and llorrente are relatively tall, when Spain and Bayern play all they do is play the long ball, they certainly aren't passing teams, sure..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:


Rooney scored headers that one season for one very simple reason, he played as the furthest forward player ready to get on the end of crosses. Hernandez(when onside) is that player at the moment but, is rather meh, rarely onside and too small/weak to win headers.

You don't have to be tall to win headers, the big tall idiot players clubs get in, Crouch, Zigic, other numpties, I wouldn't put a single one of them in the top 50 best header scorers in the world. Messi scored a header against Utd in a crucial game. Positioning and the cross mean far more than height.

Hernandez is a one trick pony and offers nothing else when that trick doesn't work. You want to buy a player to fill a one trick role, and won't be good enough when asked to do other things either?

You simply need a quality player, the reality is you should be slapping Rooney around the head in training everytime he drops towards midfield till he stops doing it then playing an actually quality playmaker/withdrawn striker like Berbatov behind him and do this consistently.

But, honestly Utd would be mental to sign a striker before a couple central midfielders.
 
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Tummy said:
Real Madrid and Barcelona are the two best teams in World Football at the minute and don't play long ball big man football. Sit down. Be quiet.

Route one, hoof ball has no place in the modern game.
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That's because they arent afraid to buy the worlds best midfielders. Given that we do not do that, then the difference should be pretty obvious. We will NEVER EVER play like Barca, or even Arsenal. Just forget the idea completely it wont ever happen.

if route one has no place in football then how would you describe Nani s goal vs city last year? The goal that should never have been? We hoof the ball a lot. and if we aren't hooking it we are playing down the wing so why not give them a man to aim for?
 
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drunkenmaster said:
lol, sure, Gomez and llorrente are relatively tall, when Spain and Bayern play all they do is play the long ball, they certainly aren't passing teams, sure..... :rolleyes::rolleyes:



But, honestly Utd would be mental to sign a striker before a couple central midfielders.
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I dont understand what you mean here? Because you've actually contradicted many posters on the previous page if im correct.

you are stating that teams can play with a large striker and NOT have to okay long ball? IF that is the case - and your perception is that UTD dont play long ball, then great...Adding carroll wouldnt force us to go long ball, we can pass it around and THEN cross it into him?

If you are saying that when LLorrente comes on spain go direct which im not sure you are, then the same can happen with UTD...

All you've done really is agree with me in a very round about way.

Except, most people through watching only MOTD dont realise just how direct UTDs play really is. When they talk about De Gea's distribution - they arent talking about his 5 yard roll outs. They are talking about him lamping it 60 yards to one of our players. Now instead of lamping the ball to Hernandez who wont ever win it, how about aim for a big guy who can totally handle himself?!
 
The Running Man said:
That's because they arent afraid to buy the worlds best midfielders. Given that we do not do that, then the difference should be pretty obvious. We will NEVER EVER play like Barca, or even Arsenal. Just forget the idea completely it wont ever happen.

if route one has no place in football then how would you describe Nani s goal vs city last year? The goal that should never have been? We hoof the ball a lot. and if we aren't hooking it we are playing down the wing so why not give them a man to aim for?
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So you're going to justify bringing in a 'big man up top' because United scored one route one goal last season? :o

I don't know why I'm bothering really.

Teams don't need 'The best midfielders in the World' to pass and move. Manchester United are known for wing play. You don't need route one in football, it's an old tactic that is fast being driven out of top tier English football.

I think what Manchester United need is a creative force in midfield and an all rounder, a holding midfielder, call it whatever but they certainly don't need a 'Big man up top'.

Yet again NickG you're talking rubbish. Some things don't change.
 
Also, Carroll is dross. He's not good enough for Manchester United, nor is he good enough for Liverpool. Drop your Carroll obsession it's embarrassing, same with N'****bia.
 
I really do not know what world that bloke lives in?

To put across your point you named several teams that utilise 'the big man' up front.

Now tell me oh wise one, what have Bayern won recently that is even slightly note worthy? What have Bayer Leverkusen won with their big striker? Do Spain really play Llorente as the big man to bash the ball up to?

Has Kick or Match magazines got forums? Maybe you should post there with the other 12year olds :)
 
Tummy yes we scored few long ball goals. that's because we have few big men and as such lose out on a large percentage of long balls that we do play.

Of course you don't need 'route 1' football 24/7.

But you have to admit that there are times when you have to do something a bit different. Putting smaller and smaller strikers on won't cut it. and if i ever see US stick smalling up front again i think ill cry out of pure rage.

A2M no Spain play llorrente because he is tall and offers heading that villa etc cannot. Similarly utd lack that big presence or threat, even if its off our bench.

My point is not that Bayern have been successful or unsuccessful merely that they recognise the need for a target man amongst their ranks even with wingers like ribery and robben..
 
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