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Please take Wellbeck.
January Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings
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Please take Wellbeck.
Doubt it's true but our fans calling him **** and needing to be sold due to a drop on form (including the rest of the nodding team) I'm sure will be pleased when we don't get a half as good keeper with 1/10th of Reina's actual footballing/distribution ability.
Don't think many fans are calling him ****? But his form has dipped massively in the past 3 seasons (ever since Xavi Valero left when Rafa was booted), he still gets caught at his near post, his punching is weaker now than its ever been and his decision making isn't cutting the mustard anymore. All signs that his confidence isn't what it was.
If we had a decent back up keeper he wouldn't be a certain starter (I'm not sure he is anymore either), but its a position that doesn't need immediate remedying that's the front 3 and a left back.
If we had a decent back up keeper he wouldn't be a certain starter (I'm not sure he is anymore either), but its a position that doesn't need immediate remedying that's the front 3 and a left back.
Wasn't he pretty decent in Roy/Kenny's season? (Had a few blips i.e. Arsenal sun thing and that away game in the EL.)
Plenty of fans were calling for him to be cut on RAWK, also his form has been better recently, certainly better than Jones.
Also Chelsea stuck with Cech in a dip in his form and actually managed to become reasonably good again, no reason not to stick with Pepe.
Ooh the player's not even for sale and we've got a North London bidding war
I am indeed Levy in disguise, I will give you £2.50 and a pack or fruit pastels. Take it or leave it.
Apparently Txixi is going to do a big clear out of the team as he think it is too overloaded and unbalanced.
Interesting if true as to who would leave. Can only think of Kolo, Lescott, Kolarov, Balotelli and Dzeko. Kolarov and Balotelli I don't see leaving unless Mancini isn't here.
Interesting if true as to who would leave. Can only think of Kolo, Lescott, Kolarov, Balotelli and Dzeko. Kolarov and Balotelli I don't see leaving unless Mancini isn't here.
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I'm not sure if much will happen for us in January, I'd love to see us sign a decent winger but it's probably not gonna happen. I don't want Chamakh to leave either, he still has a part to play and I'm convinced he'd be a decent player if we actually played him week in and out. We don't need another striker, all we really need is for the forwards we have to be utilised in their best positions. I'm sick of seeing Podolski on the left wing getting subbed on the 70th minute, and I'm sick of seeing Gervinho full stop.
We need a decent holding player in midfield, someone with a bit of muscle and a bit of fight about them, I love Arteta but for me he is being wasted in that most defensive position that he keeps being played in, he should be further up the pitch using his talents while we leave a destroyer behind them to win the ball back. Our side has no balance whatsoever the way that it's set up at the moment, and the defence needs a good kick up the arse as well.
We need a decent holding player in midfield, someone with a bit of muscle and a bit of fight about them, I love Arteta but for me he is being wasted in that most defensive position that he keeps being played in, he should be further up the pitch using his talents while we leave a destroyer behind them to win the ball back. Our side has no balance whatsoever the way that it's set up at the moment, and the defence needs a good kick up the arse as well.
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Meh, ultimately what the club should do WITH Wenger and what we should do without him are completely different.
Wenger will never give Chamakh a starting spot, a fair chance or use him effectively, if Wenger is sticking around for two years, every penny on Chamakh's wages is a waste, if A.N.Other manager replaces Wenger, Chamakh might turn into a useful part of the squad and should at least get the chance to prove that, but if his contract is up in May-August next year I don't think he'll have the chance anyway.
So many players that had they been played might be good, but 3 years of not getting a sniff turn into crap players, its really impossible to know how Chamakh would do if he started the next 6 months of games, take a month to hit form then be useful, or ultimately he's already resigned to being a paycheque bench warmer and just doesn't have the motivation to be good again?
Arteta, don't forget that he was the DM last year, despite the media insisting Song was, there was a reason Song spent most of every game ahead of Arteta, and its not because he was the DM. Arteta was good last season, and he'd been playing a far far more defensive role at Everton for the previous couple years. Again he's been playing a more defensive role than offensive for 4-5 years now, how good he'll be after that time in an offensive role, I don't know.
Verm has gone mental this year, as has Arteta, I think one thing is little to no rest, and another is trying to cover for everyone elses mistakes, the more you see others screw up, the more you step up to try and prevent those error's, but the more errors they end up making anyway. Arteta can shine in the defensive role, but he needs competant defenders behind and around him, two wingers working well(gervinho/Walcott are hilariously awful defensively/work rate), Sagna is poo(people really should spot how many errors he makes lead to goals, his clearances are awful as he showed the other week), Santos/Gibbs are varying degrees of terrible, and Mert is useless.
I'd take a defensive midfielder, but destroyers are worthless, Gilberto didn't fly into tackles, what made him a brilliant DM was his ability to read the game and intercept, close off passing angles and prevent chances being made, a heavy tackler is what Song is, a freekick giving machine leading to goal upon goal. Gilberto prevented chances without giving away freekicks and made the team immensely better, AND he was a very good passer of the ball.
Destroyers are "lee catermoles", Tiote's, okay he gets loads of yellows, Cabaye out tackles him, and Tiote is absolutely and completely capable of getting forward, looks for forward passes and is not scared to hold the ball. Catermole sucks at everything but kicking the opposition.
Anyway, I've said for 5 years, I don't trust Wenger to buy the right players, even when he does happen to buy the right kind of player, say Podolski, or maybe Santi, he'll put them in a team that isn't working, make them worse, play them in the wrong position and still not address the problems. I expect fully no left back, no DM, and probably a new striker to play on the wing.... yippee.
Wenger will never give Chamakh a starting spot, a fair chance or use him effectively, if Wenger is sticking around for two years, every penny on Chamakh's wages is a waste, if A.N.Other manager replaces Wenger, Chamakh might turn into a useful part of the squad and should at least get the chance to prove that, but if his contract is up in May-August next year I don't think he'll have the chance anyway.
So many players that had they been played might be good, but 3 years of not getting a sniff turn into crap players, its really impossible to know how Chamakh would do if he started the next 6 months of games, take a month to hit form then be useful, or ultimately he's already resigned to being a paycheque bench warmer and just doesn't have the motivation to be good again?
Arteta, don't forget that he was the DM last year, despite the media insisting Song was, there was a reason Song spent most of every game ahead of Arteta, and its not because he was the DM. Arteta was good last season, and he'd been playing a far far more defensive role at Everton for the previous couple years. Again he's been playing a more defensive role than offensive for 4-5 years now, how good he'll be after that time in an offensive role, I don't know.
Verm has gone mental this year, as has Arteta, I think one thing is little to no rest, and another is trying to cover for everyone elses mistakes, the more you see others screw up, the more you step up to try and prevent those error's, but the more errors they end up making anyway. Arteta can shine in the defensive role, but he needs competant defenders behind and around him, two wingers working well(gervinho/Walcott are hilariously awful defensively/work rate), Sagna is poo(people really should spot how many errors he makes lead to goals, his clearances are awful as he showed the other week), Santos/Gibbs are varying degrees of terrible, and Mert is useless.
I'd take a defensive midfielder, but destroyers are worthless, Gilberto didn't fly into tackles, what made him a brilliant DM was his ability to read the game and intercept, close off passing angles and prevent chances being made, a heavy tackler is what Song is, a freekick giving machine leading to goal upon goal. Gilberto prevented chances without giving away freekicks and made the team immensely better, AND he was a very good passer of the ball.
Destroyers are "lee catermoles", Tiote's, okay he gets loads of yellows, Cabaye out tackles him, and Tiote is absolutely and completely capable of getting forward, looks for forward passes and is not scared to hold the ball. Catermole sucks at everything but kicking the opposition.
Anyway, I've said for 5 years, I don't trust Wenger to buy the right players, even when he does happen to buy the right kind of player, say Podolski, or maybe Santi, he'll put them in a team that isn't working, make them worse, play them in the wrong position and still not address the problems. I expect fully no left back, no DM, and probably a new striker to play on the wing.... yippee.
Chamakh isn't goog enough though for this level though, Do you think he is? i don't understand why your portioning blame onto Wenger for apparently making Chamakh a bad player. He was free, the manger took a gamble, it hasn't paid off, it's one of those things.
When you consider what the club has spent on transfers and how they organise their financial structure. It really is testament to how well Arsenal have done over the last 10 years.
The overall balance of just transfer is in the black for arsenal, man u have spent 200 odd million, chelsea and city have both spent 500 million. Spurs have even spent about 200 million.
End of the day, Arsenal have qualified from the Champions league unlike Chelski and Citehh!! i Really don't understand how the crtitism is so harsh for wenger when you just compare cold hard facts. The guy hasnt been allowed to spend hundreds of millions like veryone around yet he still finished the above them or around them.
I think the board are the main problem personally. They obviously dont like spending 30 million on a player, cant blame them either tbh. It's a lot of money on what will always be a gamble.
When you consider what the club has spent on transfers and how they organise their financial structure. It really is testament to how well Arsenal have done over the last 10 years.
The overall balance of just transfer is in the black for arsenal, man u have spent 200 odd million, chelsea and city have both spent 500 million. Spurs have even spent about 200 million.
End of the day, Arsenal have qualified from the Champions league unlike Chelski and Citehh!! i Really don't understand how the crtitism is so harsh for wenger when you just compare cold hard facts. The guy hasnt been allowed to spend hundreds of millions like veryone around yet he still finished the above them or around them.
I think the board are the main problem personally. They obviously dont like spending 30 million on a player, cant blame them either tbh. It's a lot of money on what will always be a gamble.
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YAY !! Victory is MINE !!!!!
YAY !! Victory is MINE !!!!!
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YAY !! Victory is MINE !!!!!
WOOT Hope its true! Though we have been linked with him nearly ever window so clearly he should sign for us
Am not an Arsenal supporter but even i can see Wenger isnt good enough anymore, He hasnt spent loads like City/Chelsea but he has signed allot more average players so its more quantity he has gone for.
Then like a loon lets his players enter last year of contracts? Thats just insane.
Chamakh did have a good period when RVP was injured for them but soon as he came back Chamkh was dropped to the bench and never got seen again and when he is its like 20mins no player can devlop form in that window.
The trouble with wenger is that he is living off past glories (more so than any other manager in the premiership), it's coming up on a decade since the 'invincibles'. And for the past 8 odd seasons all we have heard from arsenal and wenger was of this master plan, of a team of home-grown, youngsters playing this beautiful football. Where does wengers project stand now? The football that's played at the emirates now is utter dog ***** and the age of the team is getting ever higher.
"no net spend, no net spend!" is all we here from the arsenal fans, convienently forgetting they have a huge wage bill, that's getting bigger and bigger. I read somewhere their wage bill is 143 mill whereas Bayern Munich, a team that look like walking the bundasleague this year and more importantly actually challenge for trophies, are sat at 163 mill. For every van persie they get rid of on 90k a week they then buy a podolski, mertasaker and giroud on the same level of wages. Just give RVP his 80grand a week increase! Arsenal also have an additional problem now in that they don't have anymore players they can sell for big money to the manchester clubs/barca. Watch that net spend rise!!
Another thing, wenger has been at arsenal for nearly 2 decades now, where are the world class youngsters coming through their academy? all I can think of is possibly wiltshire, and he is just an over hyped young english man (like every other young english player).
The next manger at arsenal is in trouble, he will have years of wengers waste to contend with.
"no net spend, no net spend!" is all we here from the arsenal fans, convienently forgetting they have a huge wage bill, that's getting bigger and bigger. I read somewhere their wage bill is 143 mill whereas Bayern Munich, a team that look like walking the bundasleague this year and more importantly actually challenge for trophies, are sat at 163 mill. For every van persie they get rid of on 90k a week they then buy a podolski, mertasaker and giroud on the same level of wages. Just give RVP his 80grand a week increase! Arsenal also have an additional problem now in that they don't have anymore players they can sell for big money to the manchester clubs/barca. Watch that net spend rise!!
Another thing, wenger has been at arsenal for nearly 2 decades now, where are the world class youngsters coming through their academy? all I can think of is possibly wiltshire, and he is just an over hyped young english man (like every other young english player).
The next manger at arsenal is in trouble, he will have years of wengers waste to contend with.
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Firstly Chamakh WAS very good for the first 6 months, then he dropped Chamakh completely, not, RVP starts ahead of him, he gets 30 min subs, he gets the odd start to rest RVP, he gets some CL games like EVERY OTHER CLUB IN THE WORLD< it was just thanks, 6 months service, you were outscoring RVP even when RVP was playing, bye now, **** off.
He then left him to rot, he has done this to basically dozens of players over the years.
Secondly I said, as did plenty of others BEFORE we bought him that Wenger would bench him and let him rot, like he's done to so many others. Bendtner was a better player than Chamakh, still is, and got benched, then we went out and bought an worse, more expensive Bendtner mark 2, and kept BOTH on the bench. Sorry but it doesn't matter how much you spend, how much your net spend is, that is still a bad decision.
Just because you've spent 50mil less than club Y, we could have spent, 60mil less than club Y, and 10mil saved IS a big deal, what other clubs do doesn't mean you can't analyse the mistakes made at this club, other clubs are irrelevant. The fact that Liverpool imploded much worse than we did recently, doesn't mean we haven't also done badly.
As for Chamakh being cheap, he wasn't, being a gamble, he wasn't. He was a free transfer which means he ended up on circa 80k a week wages, rather than costing 8-10mil a year earlier and getting a 40k a week wage. The difference being, on 40k a week, we could have sold him a year later, at 80k a week we couldn't sell him because no one else will offer anything close to 80k a week. Had we spent 10mil on him, we could have sold him on for 5-10mil a year later, instead we will spend 80k a week over 4 seasons, exactly what we would have spent at 8mil + 40k a week over 4 years... except he's not been involved.
Free transfers are more often a bad idea than a good idea, Joe Cole anyone 100k a week and has done absolutely nothing for Liverpool, how cheap is that 5mil a year for 4 years, and no one will match his wages so he won't leave?
Chamakh was a poor idea because, free transfers rarely work out, we saved NO money over 4 years, we couldn't offload him if he didn't work out, Wenger was NEVER going to give him a fair chance, we had at MINIMUM 2 strikers at the club better than him before we signed him, both on lower wages.
The financial structure is also, having a big stadium(smeg all to do with Wenger) having 50mil more match day income than all but one other club basically, charging more for their tickets than any other club in the league. The club aren't particularly well run, but producing EXACTLY what a club that can spend £140mil on wages should do at the bare minimum, for a club spending over £120mil on wages, we are the least successful club in Europe basically.
Net spend means nothing, if City/random other clubs weren't completely retarded, we would have gotten 10mil for Ade, max, less than that for Nasri, less than that for Kolo and actually more than we got for Clichy(worth well more than 7mil). We've done very well on sales, that is partially luck and partially stupid clubs wasting money. None of that is relevant, getting 25mil or 5mil for a player you sell doesn't make spending 10mil on a crap player a better or worse decision. Wasting money on a crap player, is bad, and it means 10mil less to spend on someone else. Spending 143mil in wages a year on a squad that was stupidly lucky to get 4th last season and could easily not this year, is severe mismangement.
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Quite a lot less...i realise it might not be accurate to the dime but it'll certainly be around the mark. All i can say is wow...the guy has done an incredible job really considering how much he's spent.
Are you saying Chamakh is worthy of starting every game for arsenal? A simple yes or no will do..
Every football player is a gamble, of course it is...how can it not be?
Have a look at this..
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/arsenal-transfers.html
pretty interesting, it all boils down to money at the end of the day.....had Wenger spent the same amount of money as city, yeah he'd of been sacked. I just dont understand how Wenger is getting so much flak when you consider money spent and position finished. Everyone was ****ed off that Arsenal didnt finish top of the group, people saying Wenger is crap. You look at chelsea and everyone is like "oh how unlucky". How much did chelsea spend in the summer overall?
Ok, flip the coin for a second, you sack wenger? what happens next?
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Our leaked transfer plan apparantly, Doubt any of it is even true but id rather we didnt go for Ba tbh, Wallcott just dont know he is so hit and miss its silly certainly wouldnt want him at 100k week wages
Sturridge i think would do well but his attitude of ill only play here is off putting he should work for the team.
Honda/Llorente and id be a happy fan in Januray!
Our leaked transfer plan apparantly, Doubt any of it is even true but id rather we didnt go for Ba tbh, Wallcott just dont know he is so hit and miss its silly certainly wouldnt want him at 100k week wages
Sturridge i think would do well but his attitude of ill only play here is off putting he should work for the team.Honda/Llorente and id be a happy fan in Januray!
http://hereisthecity.com/2012/12/03...ry-transfer-plans-leaked-exclusive-from-insi/
Our leaked transfer plan apparantly, Doubt any of it is even true but id rather we didnt go for Ba tbh, Wallcott just dont know he is so hit and miss its silly certainly wouldnt want him at 100k week wages
Honda/Llorente and id be a happy fan in Januray!
What a crock of ****
So Walcot will stay at arsenal if he gets 90k a week, but we will offer him 10k more just for ***** and giggles if he doesnt get his offer from arsenal and leaves?? Just offer him the 90k! (wouldn't want him anyway). I thought he wanted to be guarenteed a central striking role in addition to more cash?
Hasn't Llorente signed a new deal this week?