January Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings

I think signing Henry on loan again is a full gone conclusion and I can't wait. Who else do we have to play up front? Chamakh?? Gervinho?? Henry now is still tiwce the player than those put together (not sure how that works). I think we should go in for Beckham as well. Imagine henry on the left, Giroud down the centre and Beckham on the right. Giroud would score a bizillion goals each game from beckham crosses.

We won't sign huntelaar. We don't go for proven strikers. We'll get some young nigerian prodigy based on him being tall and fast.

Meh, we're going to get relegated anyway so doesn't matter who we sign

Edit: I think I've been reading to many of DM's posts


Doubtful becuase I wouldn't say any of that. Chamakh has never been poor for us, we signed him, he was a very solid player, got goals and assists right up till Wenger showed him the "this is the seat on the bench for players I've decided I don't like any more, by coincidence, RVP is fit again". Can anyone name players who play 15 mins every 3 months who look good? I can't, since he was benched I'm not sure he's started 2 games back to back, even with others injured, I'd be surprised if he has two sub appearances back to back. You don't blame the player for being given 5 mins of competitive football every 3 months then being thrown in due to injury in a start in an important game and looking crap, you blame the manager.

The reading game, he looked awful, for 45 mins(though so did the whole team) for the next 75 mins he looked like one of our better players. Laughably when we signed him 3 years ago, we had more quality in the team, especially offensively, 3 years later, even without playing, he's improve in terms of relative to the squad, because the squad is worse. His interplay, passing, winning of the ball, running at goal was all actually very impressive after that first 45 mins. Either way, a not very fit Henry who at no stage in his last loan spell ran around for more than 10 mins before just standing around doing nothing, is not better than CHamakh... Gervinho, probably.


As for signing some nigerian youngster... that also isn't Wenger, Wenger 8 years ago finding some 17 year old kid ready for the first team no one in England had heard of, sure, now? Do people really not realise how many older players we've bought in the past 5 years? Who was the last truly brilliant youth talent we bought, AOC? Who still looks like a more active, and as yet flukey/productive than Walcott. We overpaid for Walcott, and AOC, EVERYONE in England knew about them, neither were cheap, and neither have proven good(potential for AOC< but how many games can you say, he looks a little bit of luck from making his runs produce something, before you're almost 2 years later, and he's still not scoring, assisting or even creating good chances).

Gervinho, Santos, Giroud, Podolski, Squillaci, Kos, Vermaelen, Arteta, Arshavin, Mertesacker, Santi, Chamakh.

We have for some time now been buying 5-15mil players, who are older, established and well known.

EDIT:- also worth noting that CHamakh has had some "foreign team looking to offer him an escape route" every transfer window for 2 + years already, I think we've had offers, and he's had offers, we've turned some down, and I think he has as well. Ultimately we gave him "free transfer wages". IE pay 10mil for a player and give them 40k a week, get a free transfer and give player 80k a week due to his bargaining position... .thats 2mil higher wages per year for 4 or 5 years, 8-10mil more than you'd otherwise pay them in wages, and the same overall cost. Difference is a 40k a week player who isn't getting played will get offers from other clubs matching his wage..... at 80k a week, no one is willing to match his wage, so he stays on the bench and gets paid twice as much as he can get anywhere else. End of his contract he can still go and sign for someone for 40k a week but is millions better off than leaving early.

Very little reason to think this offer is more serious or more likely to tempt him away than past offers.
 
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Confused by that. Nastasic is OK but likely to have the usual peaks and troughs in form that young players have. Toure is **** so if they pick up injuries or Toure goes to the ACoN then they are going to be in trouble.
Well Richards will be back from injury soon and he can play CB, we also have Rodwell or Yaya who can slot in at CB.

We also have Karim Rekik who is very talented and could step up imo.

I like Lescott and really rate him but he just doesn't fit this new team that Mancini is trying to mould so he either accepts he is a squad player or he moves on.

I can see him going on loan to QPR till the end of the season then depending on how he does a permanent move next season.
 
What exactly is it Nastasic does that Lescott cant?
Not look like Bambi on ice when he has the ball at his feet?
He can defend as well.
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and Baz, He was first choice until we got Nastasic in and Mancini hasn't looked back. Bear in mind Lescott was up against Kolo and Savic till Nastasic came in and you can see why he was first choice ;)

It's funny because apparently Savic is doing well in Italy, he starts for Fiorentina. I think the slower pace of the game and also it not being as much pressure is really helping him.
 
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Well Richards will be back from injury soon and he can play CB, we also have Rodwell or Yaya who can slot in at CB.

We also have Karim Rekik who is very talented and could step up imo.

I like Lescott and really rate him but he just doesn't fit this new team that Mancini is trying to mould so he either accepts he is a squad player or he moves on.

I can see him going on loan to QPR till the end of the season then depending on how he does a permanent move next season.

Not fitting in to a new team that isn't great isn't really a negative on Lescott's part :p

For me Nestasic has had some truly awful games, a few decent ones and one or two very good ones. Going on loan to QPR, doubtful but possible, long term move, incredibly doubtful. QPR are running around spending huge sums, 5mil on a player here, 60k on a wage there, nothing like what City have done, are doing or the wages Lescott will be on. No chance of a permanent move and frankly I can't see anyone buying Lescott and matching his wages, or coming remotely close, but then I see Mancini out by the end of the season having flopped so spectacularly in Europe like he really has done his entire career... and a sensible manager is likely to pick an experienced CB partnership rather than a kid who is capable of such bad games.
 
It isn't a negative in the sense it isn't his fault your right DM but it's like anything, if the manager want's to change the team he doesn't keep using the exact same players he will try and find the best players that suit it. Nastasic at the moment is.

Nastasic has had some truly awful games? which ones?
He has made a few mistakes in games granted but every player does and he has recovered well from them imo considering his age and it being a completely new team.

Out at the end of the season!? lol. A sensible manager will see Lescott is a very limited defender albeit a solid one and will see Nastasic as the best way to go and build a partnership up with him and Kompany.
I can see Lescott leaving, he will want to play and I think it says it all when even Kolo Toure is on the bench before you so Mancini will let him leave. Just a matter of if he wants to.
 
Not look like Bambi on ice when he has the ball at his feet?
He can defend as well.
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and Baz, He was first choice until we got Nastasic in and Mancini hasn't looked back. Bear in mind Lescott was up against Kolo and Savic till Nastasic came in and you can see why he was first choice ;) :D

It's funny because apparently Savic is doing really well in Italy, he is starting CB for Fiorentina. I think the slower pace of the game and also it not being as much pressure is really helping him.

Those stats don't really mean a hell of a lot, especially considering for instance, Nestasic's stats include playing against a Chelsea that didn't attack, a Villa you thrashed 5-0 who fell to pieces and Lescott didn't, while Lescott played against Arsenal, West Brom and Southampton(might have a rubbish defence, but a really very good offence and has been since the start of the season).

From what I've seen Mancini pee'd around with the team to a larger degree at the beginning of the season, and played absurd line up's for instance just before the transfer window.

Those stats don't tell much of any story, they don't take into account Kompany was making huge mistakes for the first bunch of games, in league and Europe and has since found his form again.

Had Lescott not played against Southampton and Arsenal, but a Chelsea with a new manager who just didn't want to concede or lose, and Villa, and Nestasic played the two tougher games..... those stats would look vastly different.

Then lets look at Europe, but for Real and Dortmund's poor luck and terrible finishing, the team could have conceded 5 goals a game, easily. In a couple of those Nestasic looked basically inept.
 
It isn't Nastasic's fault who he played against or who Lescott did. Just take the stats for what they are, of course they are going to be different because they haven't played together against the same teams.

Should Messi not win the Ballon D'Or because most of his goals are against rubbish teams? or should he win it because he scored 80+ goals in one year?

Mancini used the 352/532 in pre season and it went ok. We tried to adopt in the Cl and brought in Nastasic and Maicon to facilitate this. Is this an absurd line up or?

Yeh we easily could have conceded 5 maybe 10 or we might have won 5-0. All ifs and buts. Nastasic wasn't inept at all imo. How many CB's will keep Real and Dortmund quiet this year in the CL? I guess Ramos and Pepe are inept because Dortmund beat them at home and nearly beat them in Madrid?

I don't really get what the problem is, I made one comment saying how I can see us loaning Lescott maybe even selling him at the end because Nastasic is playing well and by far the preferred choice.
I highlighted how even Toure is on the bench ahead of Lescott but you won't accept it and want to start highlighting every single little mistake he has made as an argument against him.

Oh, his name is NASTASIC by the way.
 
It isn't Nastasic's fault who he played against or who Lescott did. Just take the stats for what they are, of course they are going to be different because they haven't played together against the same teams.

Should Messi not win the Ballon D'Or because most of his goals are against rubbish teams? or should he win it because he scored 80+ goals in one year?

Mancini used the 352/532 in pre season and it went ok. We tried to adopt in the Cl and brought in Nastasic and Maicon to facilitate this. Is this an absurd line up or?

Yeh we easily could have conceded 5 maybe 10 or we might have won 5-0. All ifs and buts. Nastasic wasn't inept at all imo. How many CB's will keep Real and Dortmund quiet this year in the CL? I guess Ramos and Pepe are inept because Dortmund beat them at home and nearly beat them in Madrid?

I don't really get what the problem is, I made one comment saying how I can see us loaning Lescott maybe even selling him at the end because Nastasic is playing well and by far the preferred choice.
I highlighted how even Toure is on the bench ahead of Lescott but you won't accept it and want to start highlighting every single little mistake he has made as an argument against him.

Oh, his name is NASTASIC by the way.

To be fair, he didn't keep either Real or Dortmund quiet, City were ass raped by both teams and only poor finishing stopped them being complete humiliations.
 
Yes we played poor v Dortmund at home and Real away. We aren't the first team and we won't be the last that get battered by these teams.

If it wasn't for some weird keeping by Weidenfeller Dortmund would have beat Real both home and away.
Dortmund are a really good team, especially in Europe and have a good chance of getting to the final imo.

None of the games have been Nastasic's fault, he hasn't made any catastrophic errors that have resulted in us losing 1-0 or 2-1. We have played terribly and our big players didn't step up. For the record I though Nastasic did ok in the Real home match. It was Maicon that cost us the goal or Hart if you see it that way.
 
and Baz, He was first choice until we got Nastasic in and Mancini hasn't looked back. Bear in mind Lescott was up against Kolo and Savic till Nastasic came in and you can see why he was first choice ;)

I was referring to your posts where you claimed that you were signing a CB as cover for Kompany/Lescott because Lescott was so good :)
 
I was referring to your posts where you claimed that you were signing a CB as cover for Kompany/Lescott because Lescott was so good :)
Ah sorry, Lescott is a good defender and I honestly didn't expect Nastasic to come in and do so well. If he hadnt of come in and done well I would have had no problems with Lescott playing and wont if he does in the future but since Nastasic has come in and put some great performances his quality is evident and he won't be going anywhere soon I don't think and I can see Lescott leaving as I said.
 
An experienced centre half (as Vidic and Rio are both on their last legs imo) with Evans and Smalling competing for the long term partner role.

Buttner is good for backup, but really need someone to replace PE more permanently.

Likes of Wanyama for the more "defensive" role in cm

Would make a good start to making the team more resiliant at the back while getting the midfield working better


I dont expect anyone to be signed in Jan either, but its nice to dream.
 
If Vidic comes back and is OK for the rest of the season then we are fine at CB imo, Smalling and Evans will make an awesome partnership one day and that's not even considering Jones.

Buttner will keep us going until Fabio comes back - hopefully he can kick on as his brother has done, it's hard to believe they are actually the same age in development terms.

Wanyama would be a decent addition in midfield but I fear he'd be massively overpriced, and I'll never forgive Celtic for Liam Miller.

I feel our squad is more than capable but we need to iron out our defensive issues. Another midfielder would be nice but I doubt we'd get anyone of the required quality in January.
 
If Vidic comes back and is OK for the rest of the season then we are fine at CB imo, Smalling and Evans will make an awesome partnership one day and that's not even considering Jones.

Buttner will keep us going until Fabio comes back - hopefully he can kick on as his brother has done, it's hard to believe they are actually the same age in development terms.

Wanyama would be a decent addition in midfield but I fear he'd be massively overpriced, and I'll never forgive Celtic for Liam Miller.

I feel our squad is more than capable but we need to iron out our defensive issues. Another midfielder would be nice but I doubt we'd get anyone of the required quality in January.

Agreed, I don't feel we are desperate to sign anyone.

The team clicking and players staying injury free is actually what needs to happen, a steady consistent team is what's needed but it's becoming difficult with players being out so often.
 
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