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I'm playing as Arsenal on FM2011 at the moment and Djourou became my best defender after one season. Just shows they don't always get it right!
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I can't see what Tottenham did wrong with this Fryers deal. Heck, some players go to a club and after a year without play time, they are sold off, and the club who buy him were also interested first time around. Is that dodgy dealing too 
Tottenham didn't want to spend 6M on a youngster, so they teamed up with Standard to get him at a cheaper price. United should have lowered their price if they wanted the money.
The tribunal decided bla bla. United should have told Tottenham look, the tribunal wants us to get 6M, we will take 4. But no, they wanted 6.
Tottenham didn't want to spend 6M on a youngster, so they teamed up with Standard to get him at a cheaper price. United should have lowered their price if they wanted the money.
The tribunal decided bla bla. United should have told Tottenham look, the tribunal wants us to get 6M, we will take 4. But no, they wanted 6.
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You're talking as if we pulled a figure out of our backside for Nani's valuation - you do realise we accepted a bid of £25m in the summer for him?
Djourou is like Titus Bramble in that he isn't actually that bad a player, he's just always got a stupid mistake in him at some point in a game. If he could get rid of that, he'd do absolutely fine.
Exactly my point earlier, Ferguson would rather he went to a club abroad for peanuts than get £3m-4m for him from Spurs.
Even if a tribunal agreed with United's £6m asking figure they were likely going to lose him on a free transfer if the Spurs deal fell through anyway, throwing away millions of pounds to ensure your league rivals don't strengthen with your unwanted players is not exactly within the spirit of the game.
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Why would you not try to get the maximum return on a player you have invested time and money in training? Clubs are a business not a charity.
We had no say in where Fryers went but if he stayed in England we were perfectly entitled to get as much for him as possible.
We had no say in where Fryers went but if he stayed in England we were perfectly entitled to get as much for him as possible.
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Well done then. Trying to get the best available. You got <500k and he is in England.
Clubs are a business not a charity. Tottenham and Standard got what they wanted at a cheap price. Business.
I don't really blame United for trying to get maximum return for him but once it became clear that Spurs were unwilling to pay £6m you should have got as much as you could for him from them, because the alternative was peanuts.
It stinks of United using their financial clout (letting millions of pounds slip through their fingers) just to ensure their unwanted players don't go to league rivals.
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why is it that united fans seem to think that this philosophy only applies to them?
As I'm not either a Spurs or Utd fan I haven't bothered to follow the story too closely but I a confused over one thing - if Spurs were unwilling to pay £6 million and Utd knew they would lose the player abroad for peanuts why didn't they lower their demands to something Spurs would have paid? If they had sold to Spurs in the summer surely that would have maximised their return on their investment?
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Because the situation that has arisen is completely unprecedented and wouldn't have been foreseen by United until it happened.
What makes it dodgy to me is that Spurs decided outright they couldn't afford the player in summer without taking the matter to tribunal. That would have been the logical next step and if they were so certain of Fryers' actual value then they'd surely have had no trouble persuading the tribunal to agree...
Did I say it did?
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I've just watched Ferguson's press conference and he claims he knew what would happen. I don't know if that's true or not but it makes you statement hard to accept:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20915233#asset
I heard that in the interview too, it does look like there are faults on both sides.
IMHO if Utd genuinely think that Spurs have done something wrong then they should make an official complaint so it can be thoroughly investigated. My personal opinion is that Utd tried to overprice him in the summer and Spurs baled and then when the opportunity rose to get him for half price they've jumped at the chance.
Spurs may not be able to claim the moral high ground but in pure business terms I do no think they have done anything wrong.
I think its best to let the Spurs and Utd fans to sort it out between themselves because there is no winner here so I will gracefully bow out.
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There were rumours floating around when Fryers signed for Standard that Spurs had a first option agreement to buy him for £3m and plenty of people suggested Levy was up to something. This was after he'd signed with them though and it was too late for anyone to do anything about it. Given that Fryers spent summer training with Spurs I think United were reasonable to expect that it would go to tribunal at some point and a fee would be mutually agreed.
It remains to be seen what happens next but I expect the rules will be tightened. I also think we can wave goodbye to any future transfer business between United and Spurs after this and the Berbatov situation.
It also doesn't really reflect well on Fryers who comes across as a money chasing big time Charlie.
It remains to be seen what happens next but I expect the rules will be tightened. I also think we can wave goodbye to any future transfer business between United and Spurs after this and the Berbatov situation.
It also doesn't really reflect well on Fryers who comes across as a money chasing big time Charlie.
Spurs still paid a lot for him IMO, that's what I find funny about the situation.
It's almost like when you buy something that's half price just because it's half price, not because you actually want it anymore.
Players are overpriced by their own club ALL THE TIME, so I don't see how United can be criticised at all for that.
It's almost like when you buy something that's half price just because it's half price, not because you actually want it anymore.
Players are overpriced by their own club ALL THE TIME, so I don't see how United can be criticised at all for that.
Yeah but they paid it to Liege and not United. Liege made money by acting as middle man, Spurs saved £3m, United lost £3m (nobody would have bought him for £6m). The only party not laughing is United and it's their own fault really.
Most other clubs in the Premiership would have sold him to Spurs, they wouldn't have risked letting him go on a free when there was £3m to be made.
It's not just that United overpriced him but that they let him go for nothing when they could have made £3m on him, what happened to getting a return on the time and money spent training him?
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Indeed. He's an absolute nightmare to manage/discipline and as for his quality, well, he's clearly a talented player but good performances are rather infrequent to say the least.
I think he'll have to end up at a club where he's the star player and they'll more or less have to do as he says (similar to Zlatan, but far worse).