January Transfer Window 2012/2013 Season Rumours/Signings

One More Solo · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:04

cm1179 said:
oh is it really? what are you basing this on?

it's business, nothing personal toward ferguson, he just see's it that way. if ferguson/united hadn't slapped a ridiculous fee on him, it would be a non issue.

United didn't set the fee, that would have been decided at a tribunal.

Tom84 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:06

cm1179 said:
oh is it really? what are you basing this on?

Logic

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:14

One More Solo said:
United didn't set the fee, that would have been decided at a tribunal.

a tribunal that ferguson would've had no say in whatsoever, of course.

no idea why you united fans are so bothered tbh.

Tummy · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:15

It's ~ok when Manchester United tap up players from other clubs but it's a crime against humanity when clubs do it to Manchester United?

This is the general thread so far? Thought so.

Doesn't make what Tottenham have done correct, far from it, but it happens all the time and Manchester United are as guilty as many others are.

Tom84 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:18

Tummy said:
It's ~ok when Manchester United tap up players from other clubs but it's a crime against humanity when clubs do it to Manchester United?

This is the general thread so far? Thought so.

No, Spurs didn't tap up Fryer's they manipulated the system to get the player on the cheap that is completely different to us 'tapping up' Berbatov and then paying through the noise to actually sign him.

Tummy · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:19

You say Potato, I say Tomato.

Tom84 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:20

That would be where you're going wrong then

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:21

so essentially, you're a little peeved that levy is a shrewd businessman and uses the system holes to get what he wants, as opposed to tapping a player up?

still can't understand why you're so bothered about levy doing nothing wrong.

drunkenmaster · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:21

mattf said:
Fergie tapped up berbatov and plenty others he can't act all holier than thou

He tapped up Berbatov then paid 30mil for him, not tapped him up, unsettled him, had some club in Europe pay 10mil for a player who didn't want to be at Spurs then bought him for the same cheaper fee 6 months later.... that would be the equivalent situation.

It does come across that what Spurs have done is pretty freaking dodgy to say the least.... but I can't see how its illegal. Clubs conspiring sounds, wrong because what else might they work on together, results that help both teams out, etc.

Tummy · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:22

Tom84 said:
That would be where you're going wrong then

I hope that you are equally annoyed if Manchester United ever do this to sign a player

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One More Solo · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:23

The whole thing is a bit underhanded but whereas I will admit we have tapped up players, it's frustrating that people on here aren't prepared to call a spade a spade when it involves other clubs.

Robbo · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:24

Good thing we tapped up Berbatov, would've cost £50m otherwise for sure. £30m was a snip!

Tom84 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:25

cm1179 said:
so essentially, you're a little peeved that levy is a shrewd businessman and uses the system holes to get what he wants, as opposed to tapping a player up?

still can't understand why you're so bothered about levy doing nothing wrong.

tbh if I have an issue with this at all it's with the Spurs supporters mentality more than us simply missing out on some cash for a player no one will remember in a year or so, thanks to you you've summed that Spurs mentality up to a tee with that post right there so I need say no more

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:26

One More Solo said:
The whole thing is a bit underhanded but whereas I will admit we have tapped up players, it's frustrating that people on here aren't prepared to call a spade a spade when it involves other clubs.

nobody is denying levy has played the system but he hasn't done anything that is forbidden. could be a rule changer.

still don't understand why united fans are so bothered tbh. your club obviously didn't even rate him.

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:27

Tom84 said:
so I need say no more

yeh ...... i'm going to bet myself a slice of cake that you do though.

One More Solo · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:34

cm1179 said:
nobody is denying levy has played the system but he hasn't done anything that is forbidden. could be a rule changer.

still don't understand why united fans are so bothered tbh. your club obviously didn't even rate him.

We did rate him, just not as much as Fryers rated himself, which is why we couldn't agree on a deal.

As for why we are bothered, it's the principle of it. Firstly, if we had pulled a similar stunt then the **** would have hit the fan. Secondly, a lot of clubs rely on the money they receive for youngsters as a major source of revenue which is why the compensation rules are in place and it is important they are maintained.

cm1179 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:36

we paid a fair price, a little too much imo but time will tell if it is money well spent.

BaZ87 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:38

cm have you ever seen this kid play? I'm guessing you haven't, in which case, how can you comment on the price you paid?

mmj_uk · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:41

One More Solo said:
Because they've tried to circumvent the compensation laws? It's a bit like the corporation tax stuff, what they've done is not strictly against the rules but it's not in the spirit of them.

I would have sympathy for Ferguson but IMO pricing players out of the market so that league rivals won't buy them (or will get robbed in doing so) is not in the spirit of the game either.

I don't know the details of this deal but it looks like Ferguson demanded £6m for Spurs to sign him knowing full well that Fryers would probably go abroad for peanuts if a deal wasn't made.

BaZ87 · 4 Jan 2013 at 22:51

mmj_uk said:
I would have sympathy for Ferguson but IMO pricing players out of the market so that league rivals won't buy them (or will get robbed in doing so) is not in the spirit of the game either.

I don't know the details of this deal but it looks like Ferguson demanded £6m for Spurs to sign him knowing full well that Fryers would probably go abroad for peanuts if a deal wasn't made.

Fryers was out of contract so if Spurs and Utd couldn't agree a deal between themselves then a tribunal would have decided the fee based on his development. Taggart's demands were meaningless in that case.

By moving abroad Fryers development fee was set by UEFA and worked out considerably less than what the tribunal would have ruled. Comolli was on the radio the other week talking about Tom Ince and said that the fee for him had he moved abroad (I'd imagine it would be similar for Fryers given neither had really broke into the first team) would have been less than €500k.

The reality is that Spurs have paid off Liege to sign Fryers on the cheap and still ended up getting him for less than a tribunal would have decided.