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Agreed.
He's the only Chelsea forward that's been at the club for that period.
Edit: This season he's been involved in 14 goals in the PL from the equivalent of 24.5 full 90 mins. Fabregas has been involved in 17 goals from just under 21 full 90 mins and Costa has been involved in 19 goals from just under 18 full 90's.
Edit: This season he's been involved in 14 goals in the PL from the equivalent of 24.5 full 90 mins. Fabregas has been involved in 17 goals from just under 21 full 90 mins and Costa has been involved in 19 goals from just under 18 full 90's.
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It is very decent but it's not world class. The very best attacking players are scoring at a rate of nearly 1 goal every 90 mins, forgetting assists, let alone 1 in 2(ish).
Suarez got 31 goals and 16(?) assists in 33 games last season for example.
We're looking at total attacking contribution, both goals and assists. We've looked at a CM in Fabregas right through to an out and out striker in Costa. Also, Suarez would have played around 50% of his minutes as a wide player in a 4-3-3 which isn't too dissimilar to the role Hazard plays.
If you wanted a more direct comparison to a world class winger/attacking midfielder, compare to Ronaldo from his last couple of seasons at Utd where he was a more of an orthodox winger/attacking mid.
edit: I saw a chart for goals and assists in La Liga and Ronaldo and Messi apart, the likes of Fabregas, Di Maria, Ozil etc had similar combined goals and assist rates to the likes of Villa, Falcao etc.
If you wanted a more direct comparison to a world class winger/attacking midfielder, compare to Ronaldo from his last couple of seasons at Utd where he was a more of an orthodox winger/attacking mid.
edit: I saw a chart for goals and assists in La Liga and Ronaldo and Messi apart, the likes of Fabregas, Di Maria, Ozil etc had similar combined goals and assist rates to the likes of Villa, Falcao etc.
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It's pointless comparisons though as Suarez and Hazard are completely different players with different jobs in the team plus one is (was?) already at the top of his game and one is yet to get there.
As I said, he's not World Class yet but improving rapidly.
As I said, he's not World Class yet but improving rapidly.
It's not really when you're looking at goals and assists combined. Look at the returns of Fabregas and Costa, 2 completely different players but their return is very similar. Both Fabregas and Costa are influencing matches more than Hazard at the moment.
From creative midfielders to wingers to strikers their roles might be different but their responsibilities aren't. They're in the side to score and create. I actually looked at the La Liga chart that I mentioned (it was 2011-2013) in my last post and Messi, Ronaldo and Higuain aside, the goals/assists return from Fabregas, Ozil, Di Maria, Sanchez, Villa, Falcao, Costa and a few others are all very similar.
I'm not saying Hazard won't go on to become a world class player but for him to go on to the level of the very best attacking midfielders/wingers/forwards, he's got to increase his goals and assists.
Fabregas and Costa are 2 players at the top of their game so is every other one you've mentioned or at least has been.
Hazard has the ability to be better than both of the former if he keeps improving the way he is.
Coutinho, Sterling and Kane for instance are all players who will get better but you can't compare them to the true worldies yet either.
Hazard has the ability to be better than both of the former if he keeps improving the way he is.
Coutinho, Sterling and Kane for instance are all players who will get better but you can't compare them to the true worldies yet either.
I know, I wasn't arguing or disagreeing with anything anybody said. I was making a point in it's own right that for Hazard to go to the next level that is the area of his game that needs to improve.
Moses then stated his stats were very decent, which they are, but I then compared it to others to show the improvement he now needs to make to reach their level.
You must think Scholes was a bit **** then. Poor assist record considering the games he played and not a great scoring record either...
http://www.statbunker.com/alltimestats/AllTimeCompetitionMostAssists?comp_code=EPL
Yet everyone raves how he was a truly world class player. When you're in a great side surely it's just accepted that the duties are spread out. It's not like the great attacking players/teams united had in the 90's were all banging in a goal per game and headlining assist stats. I mean Giggs would not be considered world class, he only scored more than 10 in two seasons from 22 full years. He tops the assists, but with 22 years he should. Players with far less time are closing or would compare with 22 years football.
I don't think it's a fair comparison really but everyones definition of world class is different
I wouldn't say **** but I do think Gerrard and Lampard took Scholes's role onto a new level.
That said I'd say Scholes had more to his game that purely an attacking outlet. Hazard's in the side purely to score and create. Even Fabregas leaves a lot of his midfield duties to others and is there mainly for his creative output. Scholes sat a lot deeper with Utd playing a 4-4-2, and even more so in his latter years, and was more of a old fashioned CM than Fabregas is.
That said I'd say Scholes had more to his game that purely an attacking outlet. Hazard's in the side purely to score and create. Even Fabregas leaves a lot of his midfield duties to others and is there mainly for his creative output. Scholes sat a lot deeper with Utd playing a 4-4-2, and even more so in his latter years, and was more of a old fashioned CM than Fabregas is.
I have to disagree with this...
For me, Hazard is Chelsea's most important player. He creates so many chances, and draws defenders to him like a magnet. So many of Chelsea's plays start with Hazard, even it doesn't show in assist stats, since he's usually the 2nd or 3rd last player to touch the ball before the strike.
Hazard has plenty of room to improve, and I'd like to see him shoot a bit more often, but he's still the most important player in the side for my money.
I think his addition also disables the effectiveness of teams due to the amount of fouls he draws; the opposing team nearly always end up with numerous cautions then basically rotate who marks him as someone will end up getting sent off. All that time freeing up space for the rest of the team.
Edit * Add to that, Willian (who seems to be getting back to how good he was at Shakhtar) and Cuadrado both have very quick feet which helps the above
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Hazard scored 22 for lille in a single season. And 17 last season for Chelsea i don't think he has many issues in the goals department.
Show me a utd midfielder putting up those numbers.
Show me a utd midfielder putting up those numbers.
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What you forget or dont mention is how effective Scholes was at taking the ball from defence and playing it forward or diagonally reliably. Always able to turn and make space. Without him we have no one who can do this hence we long ball all the time. He was pivotal to our success.