You were the one that started comparing Massa and Lewis
I think Jenson is a better driver than Lewis though
This season, definitely. Last season, fairly even. Who knows what next season brings.
Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19
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You were the one that started comparing Massa and Lewis
This season, definitely. Last season, fairly even. Who knows what next season brings.
You were the one that started comparing Massa and Lewis
This season, definitely. Last season, fairly even. Who knows what next season brings.
Now where did I compare them?
I said they are both average, Massa really has never been the same since his accident.
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I don't get how some of you feel you have the right to **** of any of these drivers so called skill when they are probably 10000000000 times better at driving than you!! Why hate someone for being better than you is it because your jealous? Hamilton like it or not is doing something your never be able to do so show some respect.
Hamilton is not an average driver and I still rate him higher than button. He is just going through a very rough patch at the moment.
he seems as bemused ax anyone as to why he is struggling and I think he will come good again next season.
he seems as bemused ax anyone as to why he is struggling and I think he will come good again next season.
I don't think anyone is doing that. All discussions on drivers skill is based on comparison to other drivers around them and in relation to the formula in which they compete. Nobody here is pretending they could be a better F1 driver.
Got to ask where the heck did you turn up from with your schoolboy debating skills. LOL none of us here have skills to match Kova let alone any of the WDCs; not exactly the best point in the world really...
P.S. My dads bigger than yours
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Its just annoying me ppl having a right go about Hamilton etc when they are no better themselfs so how do they know what is good or bad or right or wrong when they have never done it? I know from my little experience of karting when you have a car on the edge of grip and high speeds things get very uncontrollable so accidents will happen and if you include 700 plus bhp with bad luck and a lot of nmes around every corner of course its not going to look good for hamilton. But to doubt his skill because of that is just retarded
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Great drive from Button and Alonso
Congratulations to Button for winning the race when he could have got swamped at the start, and congratulations to Vettel for winning the WDC! Thoroughly enjoyed the F1 forum this weekend, its good to see two drivers who are up for a chat and a laugh!
Congratulations to Button for winning the race when he could have got swamped at the start, and congratulations to Vettel for winning the WDC! Thoroughly enjoyed the F1 forum this weekend, its good to see two drivers who are up for a chat and a laugh!
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Alonso struggled in a poor Renault after he left McLaren and a poor car is often used to excuse Hamilton when he has a poor race so I don't really understand how you've come to that conclusion
Truth is, all of the top drivers need a car capable of winning races to actually win them.
That kinda seals it for me - if he doesnt have a clue what hes doing wrong by now, where/when can we expect to see an improvement? Its a tired argument thats just full of hope rather than tangible reason other than its a new season. Yes McLaren may luck out and provide him with the best car but in recent years its been anything but...
There arent any major rules changes next year; he still hasnt realised that he needs to improve tyre management with these Pirellis throughout a stint (though hes definitely not alone in that), theres little reason to be epically fast if you then shorten any window for strategy change. He needs to stop placing himself in positions where he might fall foul of others mistakes, let alone his own.
I just cant see wheres hes learnt anything this year and grown as a driver (hes still not the finished article, but with Vettel like he is, it might be too late) - his overall on-track intelligence is so poor IMHO. Its what seems to exasperate/frustrate so many F1 fans, so much potential, why are we still waiting for him to deliver (please enough with the stats
)? He should be so good excuses/apologies arent needed...People keep saying McLaren havent delivered the equipment he needs, but it doesnt seem to have affected Button as badly. Whatever you guys think of Button, hes an asset to Hamilton that he needs to learn from on the basis of his relative success with the car and in races, but I honestly dont think hes clever enough to notice that - I think thats why Ive always felt hes quite arrogant, maybe Ive mistaken it for that rather than naivety?
Look forward to the ridicule
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Started working in the end, just finished watching the forum, probably the best forum to date. Brilliant stuff.
That music one of the RB guys was playing at the end was absolutely shocking though! Some carp with a werewolf sample or something lol.
That music one of the RB guys was playing at the end was absolutely shocking though! Some carp with a werewolf sample or something lol.
Its actually quite easy - we look at how his peer group fare or his direct competitors and then judge him on that. I actually dont understand why Im replying to an argument that you cant form a reasonable opinion/critique on a sport/sportsperson unless youve partaking in it.
Mind boggles
Could you please clarify what racing license you have and what 'little experience of karting' is that makes your opinion more valid than others?
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Hamilton is average? Don't make me laugh.
Let's compare them to a similar yardstick, let's say Alonso.
Hamilton - beat the double world champion in the same equipment in his rookie year. They got the same number of points, Hamilton triumphs on second places. Alonso couldn't cope with it, scarpered back to Renault and picked a lapdog for a teammate.
Massa - "Fernando is faster than you. Do you understand?". And that's before he got clobbered by a titanium spring.
Massa knows he is out of a job, and is just chucking his toys outta the pram to try and deflect attention from his poor performances.
Alonso struggled in a poor Renault after he left McLaren and a poor car is often used to excuse Hamilton when he has a poor race so I don't really understand how you've come to that conclusion
Truth is, all of the top drivers need a car capable of winning races to actually win them.
Alonso struggled to get results yeah anyone would in a poor car, but he still drove very well and blitzed his team mate, crap as they were and won 2 races (1 cheated lol).
Yeah they need a good car to win races, but they can still shine even when in a dog, in fact I prefer to see the top drivers suffer in a poor car for a full season or two it really benefits them in the long term I think.
Your post certainly made me laugh
Alonso had to have independent observers in his garage due to his own team racing against him, no wonder he left them
I would hardly use 2007 as a yardstick for Alonso's talents.Alonso is well above Lewis in overall F1 driving, even the current F1 drivers voted Alonso as the best, but what do they know right
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Yeah and asking why he is hitting people when other drivers aren't is not retarded either.
Take a chill pill and stop worrying, some of us have been motor racing for years and not just a little karting experience.
Thats my Kart, Long Circuit
It just goes to prove what I've thought all year, there are only 3 drivers still in the very top class...Vettel, Alonso and Button.
Hamilton and Webber are slipping down to the same level as Massa.
And Rosberg and Schumacher are the cream of the also rans.
Hamilton and Webber are slipping down to the same level as Massa.
And Rosberg and Schumacher are the cream of the also rans.