Japanese Grand Prix 2011, Suzuka Circuit - Race 15/19

Overtaking stats

Code: 
P. Lap. Driver on Driver Position
1. 2 Pastor Maldonado Heikki Kovalainen 14
2. 2 Rubens Barrichello Heikki Kovalainen 15
3. 2 Nico Rosberg Jerome d'Ambrosio 20
4. 3 Jarno Trulli Sergio Perez 17
5. 3 Nico Rosberg Jaime Alguersuari 19
6. 4 Pastor Maldonado Bruno Senna 13
7. 5 Rubens Barrichello Bruno Senna 14
8. 6 Fernando Alonso Felipe Massa 4
9. 6 Sergio Perez Jarno Trulli 17
10. 7 Rubens Barrichello Pastor Maldonado 13
11. 7 Sergio Perez Heikki Kovalainen 16
12. 7 Nico Rosberg Jarno Trulli 18
13. 9 Lewis Hamilton Kamui Kobayashi 10
14. 9 Bruno Senna Pastor Maldonado 13
15. 9 Sergio Perez Pastor Maldonado 14
16. 10 Lewis Hamilton Sebastien Buemi 8
17. 10 Lewis Hamilton Vitaly Petrov 7
18. 10 Jaime Alguersuari Jarno Trulli 19
19. 11 Mark Webber Sebastien Buemi 9
20. 11 Michael Schumacher Sergio Perez 11
21. 11 Michael Schumacher Bruno Senna 10
22. 11 Adrian Sutil Nico Rosberg 14
23. 12 Mark Webber Vitaly Petrov 6
24. 12 Sergio Perez Bruno Senna 10
25. 12 Adrian Sutil Pastor Maldonado 12
26. 12 Heikki Kovalainen Timo Glock 20
27. 13 Adrian Sutil Bruno Senna 10
28. 13 Paul di Resta Pastor Maldonado 12
29. 13 Nico Rosberg Jerome d'Ambrosio 17
30. 13 Heikki Kovalainen Jerome d'Ambrosio 18
31. 14 Paul di Resta Bruno Senna 11
32. 15 Michael Schumacher Vitaly Petrov 7
33. 16 Kamui Kobayashi Jaime Alguersuari 12
34. 17 Rubens Barrichello Jaime Alguersuari 13
35. 17 Pastor Maldonado Bruno Senna 17
36. 18 Adrian Sutil Sergio Perez 9
37. 20 Jaime Alguersuari Bruno Senna 17
38. 21 Mark Webber Michael Schumacher 6
39. 22 Jaime Alguersuari Pastor Maldonado 16
40. 23 Felipe Massa Michael Schumacher 5
41. 28 Sergio Perez Vitaly Petrov 8
42. 28 Paul di Resta Vitaly Petrov 9
43. 28 Pastor Maldonado Heikki Kovalainen 17
44. 28 Pastor Maldonado Bruno Senna 16
45. 29 Heikki Kovalainen Bruno Senna 17
46. 29 Jarno Trulli Bruno Senna 18
47. 31 Adrian Sutil Vitaly Petrov 10
48. 31 Nico Rosberg Vitaly Petrov 11
49. 33 Pastor Maldonado Jaime Alguersuari 15
50. 34 Sebastian Vettel Nico Rosberg 10
51. 36 Sebastian Vettel Adrian Sutil 6
52. 36 Mark Webber Nico Rosberg 8
53. 36 Paul di Resta Heikki Kovalainen 16
54. 37 Mark Webber Adrian Sutil 6
55. 38 Lewis Hamilton Felipe Massa 7
56. 39 Sergio Perez Paul di Resta 12
57. 39 Jaime Alguersuari Rubens Barrichello 15
58. 40 Sergio Perez Pastor Maldonado 10
59. 41 Lewis Hamilton Nico Rosberg 6
60. 41 Felipe Massa Nico Rosberg 7
61. 41 Sergio Perez Kamui Kobayashi 9
62. 44 Adrian Sutil Paul di Resta 10
63. 45 Adrian Sutil Kamui Kobayashi 9
64. 45 Bruno Senna Rubens Barrichello 15
65. 45 Pastor Maldonado Rubens Barrichello 16
66. 46 Vitaly Petrov Paul di Resta 11
67. 46 Nico Rosberg Paul di Resta 12
68. 46 Pastor Maldonado Bruno Senna 15
69. 47 Vitaly Petrov Kamui Kobayashi 10
70. 47 Nico Rosberg Kamui Kobayashi 11
71. 49 Vitaly Petrov Adrian Sutil 9
72. 49 Nico Rosberg Adrian Sutil 10
73. 49 Paul di Resta Kamui Kobayashi 12
74. 53 Pastor Maldonado Jaime Alguersuari 14



P. Driver Overtaking
1. Pastor Maldonado 9
2. Nico Rosberg 8
==. Sergio Perez 8
4. Adrian Sutil 7
5. Lewis Hamilton 5
==. Mark Webber 5
==. Adrian di Resta 5
8. Rubens Barrichello 4
==. Jaime Alguersuari 4
10. Michael Schumacher 3
==. Heikii Kovalainen 3
==. Vitaly Petrov 3
13. Jarno Trulli 2
==. Bruno Senna 2
==. Felipe Massa 2
==. Sebastian Vettel 2
17. Fernando Alonso 1
==. Kamui Kobayashi 1

stats so far

1. Jenson Button - 69
2. Mark Webber - 65
3. Felipe Massa - 64
4. Michael Schumacher - 63
==. Lewis Hamilton - 63
6. Sebastien Buemi - 56
7. Jaime Alguersuari - 53
==. Sergio Perez - 53
9. Kamui Kobayashi - 52
10. Paul Di Resta - 50
11. Pastor Maldonado - 49
12. Adrian Sutil - 43
==. Nico Rosberg - 43
14. Rubens Barrichello - 39
15. Nick Heidfeld - 36
16. Vitaly Petrov - 33
17. Fernando Alonso - 31
18. Sebasian Vettel - 24
19. Bruno Senna - 17
20. Jarno Trulli - 16
21. Heikki Kovalainen - 14
==. Timo Glock - 11
23. Jerome D'Ambrosio - 9
24. Vitantonio Liuzzi - 8
25. Pedro De La Rosa - 4
26. Narain Karthikeyan - 3
==. Daniel Ricciardo - 3
28. Karun Chandhok - 0

971 overtakes in 15 races = 64.73 overtakes per race.
 
sunama said:
Ok.

Name me a better driver please.
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Vettel.

Beat Alonso to the title last year, when all Freddy had to do was finish 4th in that final race. Raced Alonso wheel-to-wheel at Monza this year and beat him. Annihilated the entire field this year to take the title earlier in the season than anyone since Schumacher and Ferrari's rampant '04 campaign.

:)
 
Shimmy said:
Turns out Hamilton did not have a puncture in his first stint, just heavy degrading.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/10/13/hamilton-puncture-suzuka/
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I think most suspected that.

His strategy for the weekend was compromised after he didn't get pole. He set his car up to do that. And he planned on romping away after the start to build a gap whilst everybody else was managing their tyres in dirty air.

He started the race on tyres that were used in both Q2 and Q3. And if you get through to Q3 you must start the race on the set of tyres that you set your best time on. Simple as that. The others in Q3 used a fresh set of tyres to set their second hot lap with and then carried these over for the start of the race. So they'd only done an out-lap, hot-lap and a in-lap. Hamilton's set of tyres had done that sequence twice, so twice as much wear on them.
 
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JRS said:
Vettel.

Beat Alonso to the title last year, when all Freddy had to do was finish 4th in that final race. Raced Alonso wheel-to-wheel at Monza this year and beat him. Annihilated the entire field this year to take the title earlier in the season than anyone since Schumacher and Ferrari's rampant '04 campaign.

:)
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and your claiming this is all vettels skill? its the most dominant car formula one has ever seen just go look at the records vettel has a chance to beat

http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10745&sid=e46ddad380b71703a17973904886264f

in a car like this i wouldnt expect anything less than vettels performance so far from any of the top 6 drivers

Most wins in a season
Most pole positions in a season
Most wins from pole position in a season
Most starts from front row in a season
Highest percentage of points in a season
Most podium finishes in a season
Most laps in the lead in a season
Highest percentage of laps lead in a season
Most consecutive wins
Most consecutive pole positions
Most points between first and second in the championship
Highest percentage points difference between first and second in the World Championship
Most points between first and second in the championship (in race wins)
Most finishes in a season
Most team pole positions in a season
Highest percentage of team pole positions in a season
Most drive-through or stop-and-go penalties in a season


its not a coincidence one car came really close to beating all of those records in one single season and most of them can still be eating by vettel
 
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arknor said:
and your claiming this is all vettels skill?
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Am I? Where? I don't recall doing such a thing.

But if you want to go down that road then fair enough. You go ahead and argue that he had the bestest, most dominant car until you're blue in the face. But the question remains - if it's such a good car, so good that it makes Vettel winning the title rather ordinary, why isn't Webber in second place in the title race? ;)

Would be interesting to see what would happen with no team orders and a stronger driver in the garage to go up against him. Just like it would be interesting to see how Alonso would deal with the same situation at Ferrari. At the start of the year, I'd have said Vettel wouldn't be able to deal with it. I might have kept saying that right up until this summer. Now....I don't think it would faze him at all. Can't say the same for Alonso, given what happened in '07!
 
Almost forgot, I owe someone a :p from the British GP!

Borrish said:
Of course RB wanted Vettel to finished ahead of Webber. They would be stupid not to. It would make no sense at all to have Webber finish one place ahead. Vettel is their hope of winning the drivers and they get the same points for the constructors either way. If Webber doesn't like it he should move to a different team. He's a good driver but he's always going to be second driver at RB.
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JRS said:
Oh, absolutely! I mean, if he'd been passed by Webber then the championship would look completely different! Instead of having 204 points to Webber's 124, he'd only have 201 and Webber would have 127! A disastrous result....

Or, you know, maybe not all that disastrous.

*shrug*
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Borrish said:
In all probability you're right but from RB's point of view you never know what's going to happen. If the car turns out to be a disaster late season or he has to miss a few races a few points could make a difference.
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JRS said:
If he does lose this year by the margin we're talking about, I'll hold my hands up and say that you were right. But if he carries on and wins it at a canter, or collapses completely and loses it by miles, I reserve the right to point back to this with open derision :)
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So there you go Borrish. Consider yourself derided.

:p
 
JRS said:
Vettel.

Beat Alonso to the title last year, when all Freddy had to do was finish 4th in that final race. Raced Alonso wheel-to-wheel at Monza this year and beat him. Annihilated the entire field this year to take the title earlier in the season than anyone since Schumacher and Ferrari's rampant '04 campaign.

:)
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JRS, you know I rate Vettel very highly...in fact, (almost) on the same level as Alonso.

HOWEVER, Vettel hasn't yet proved that he can win a dog fight, in a race. He hasn't yet shown that he can absorb relentless pressure from a faster driver behind him. The last time this happened was in Canada and he spun off.

I remember what Alonso did in Monza 2006, during his 2nd title winning year.

Certainly, if Vettel can get involved in a dogfight with another driver AND win...then there would definitely be a case for him to be better than Alonso, however, at this stage, given that Alonso has been so damn consistent over the last 7 years (vs Vettel's 5 or so years), I have to say Alonso is ahead.

Based on current form, for me, Alonso, Vettel and Button are now the top line drivers in F1, with Hamilton going backwards with every race he screws up in. Hopefully, this is just poor form rather than something more permanent.

Also, I want to hear who Skeeter thinks is better than Alonso. He definitely has someone in mind. I want a name.
 
arknor said:
and your claiming this is all vettels skill? its the most dominant car formula one has ever seen just go look at the records vettel has a chance to beat
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*cough*

McLaren MP4/4

*cough*

Cherry picking stats again Arknor?

sunama said:
Also, I want to hear who Skeeter thinks is better than Alonso. He definitely has someone in mind. I want a name.
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I don't actually, I pretty much agree with you. Vettel and Alonso are the top tier, with Button joining them based on his performance this year and last, and Hamilton dropping down, based again on his performance this year. But pushed to a name right now, this instant, then Vettel.
 
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JRS said:
... if it's such a good car, so good that it makes Vettel winning the title rather ordinary, why isn't Webber in second place in the title race? ;)
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And that's something which most people in F1 look at when comparing 2 drivers: how did they compare against their team-mate. After all, there is only ever 1 other driver who is driving in an identical car.

I believe Alonso and Vettel are the 2 drivers who have beaten their team-mates by the biggest margins, this year (points-wise).
 
sunama said:
HOWEVER, Vettel hasn't yet proved that he can win a dog fight, in a race.
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16th to 4th, Brazil '09? The aforementioned '11 race at Monza with his pass-in-the-grass on Alonso? He's won plenty of battles. Got a few wrong as well, I don't dispute that. But this thing that everyone has of him being unproven in a wheel-to-wheel battle....it's false. He's very much proven that he can hack it.

sunama said:
I remember what Alonso did in Monza 2006, during his 2nd title winning year.
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What, qualify 5th, line-up 10th after having his Q3 times deleted, tool around without showing mega speed before his engine goes pop on lap 43? I think you may have that race confused with a different one ;)
 
JRS said:
What, qualify 5th, line-up 10th after having his Q3 times deleted, tool around without showing mega speed before his engine goes pop on lap 43? I think you may have that race confused with a different one ;)
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Apologies.

2005, San Marino.

Alonso led MSc for a long time. MSc was much faster and closed him down 2-3s/lap. Once he got on the back of Alonso, Alonso defended like mad. Off the top of memory it was a fair few laps as well.

MSc drove like a man possessed in that race and showed just why he was rated as the best. The only problem was that he was up against the young upstart that was Alonso.
 
JRS said:
What, qualify 5th, line-up 10th after having his Q3 times deleted, tool around without showing mega speed before his engine goes pop on lap 43? I think you may have that race confused with a different one ;)
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I think he meant this?

 
JRS said:
But this thing that everyone has of him being unproven in a wheel-to-wheel battle....it's false. He's very much proven that he can hack it.
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I certainly would not say that he can't hack "racing", however, Alonso, IMO is more advanced in this area. Once Vettel has been involved in more dog fights, then fair enough, he will match/surpass Alonso in this area.

Remember, we are comparing Alonso with Vettel. I think it's fair to say that he has seen everyone else, off. Alonso is now the target.
 
sunama said:
Apologies.

2005, San Marino.
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That would make a lot more sense.

NathanE - was a pretty awful call by the stewards. Not that it mattered a great deal since his engine was already screwed (IIRC it was ailing by lap 5 on raceday), but just another example of why we need a group of stewards that travels to each race rather than a constantly altering group with zero consistency in their rulings.
 
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