Japanese Grand Prix 2015, Suzuka - Race 14/19

I didn't even know the race was on today. That's 4 in a row I've missed, and I don't remember the last time that happened. I just can't find much in F1 to be excited about lately.

A few months ago I was happily paying five quid a race through NowTV to watch the non BBC races...
 
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That was my whole point - yes he's petulant and it's not the "done thing" to criticise like that but frankly, for me, it's all outweighed by the fact that both McLaren and Honda deserve it. They're a huge embarrassment and should be ashamed of themselves. The fact that Honda seem to be in total denial about the state of their engine is offensive to me and they deserve all the public ridicule they get.

Alonso is part of the Mclaren Honda team too. It's not just him having a go at the top brass, he's stabbing everyone at the factory doing their best to build him a car.

Yes, the car is embarrassingly bad, but you have to agree with Ron when he says that saying this sort of thing over the radio to millions of viewers at the home of Honda is not constructive. Then in the post race interviews, Alonso is towing the party line again, like a two-faced liar.

The only thing this sort of thing will accomplish is to help Alonso get out of his contract early.
 
If it wasn't the first few corners I think the Stewards would have had something to say about Lewis' move.

Sucks for Ricciardo, and McLaren, and now Alonso has issues...

I dunno. It looked like Hamilton had the line and was a little ahead. He's there to race. If he had turned in harder and left more space, he might have lost the back on cold tyres and collected Rosberg into the gravel trap.

Rosberg made two big mistakes. First a poor start that gave Hamilton the chance, second trying to force the issue around the outside of turn two. Instead of slotting in behind and spending the rest of the race trying to get past Hamilton, he went wide, onto the grass, and then dropped back to fourth. Rosberg then had to spend the race recovering to second, with no chance of challenging for first.

He can moan and look like smacked baby all he likes, Rosberg is the one that didn't take advantage of being on pole and then made sure he wasn't able to challenge for the lead.

The truth is that Rosberg simply isn't fast enough to beat Hamilton even in the same car.
 
Although I agree with Hammington being "there to race", and Rosberg having a worse start - You aren't meant to run people off track, you are supposed to be fair with it.

The stewards are more lenient on the first few corners of the race which is what my comment was aimed towards.
 
The thing is alonso has rolled the dice and lost by joining mclaren. It could've went completely the other way if Honda had got it right. He just needs to get over it. He hasn't won anything for years so what's another year of driving round not winning anything? It's not like he's only paid for winning. He's getting millions regardless...

Alonso was angling for the drive at Red Bull, and he would have been complaining about that. If he stayed at Ferrari, he would be complaining there too. Short of getting a seat at Mercedes, Alonso would not have been happy and would have been talking down the team. That's what he does, and why he leaves every team with bridges burning behind him.
 
Although I agree with Hammington being "there to race", and Rosberg having a worse start - You aren't meant to run people off track, you are supposed to be fair with it.

The stewards are more lenient on the first few corners of the race which is what my comment was aimed towards.

But likewise, you are allowed to drive the line if it's yours. You don't have to bail out and let someone pass because they try to force their car in where it won't fit. You could argue that as Rosberg was behind and on the outside, he can't just drive into the side of Hamilton who's ahead, inside the corner and with the racing line.

When Hamilton got up the inside of Rosberg in turn 1 (which only happened because of Rosberg's worse start), and held it around the bend, Rosberg had no chance to get that back around the outside of turn 2. At that point Rosberg could have slotted in behind Hamilton and taken him with DRS a couple of laps later. By forcing the issue when he was in a vulnerable position, Rosberg had to spend the race getting from fourth to second. A little thought at the second corner and he could have spent the race chasing down Hamilton instead.

Hamilton basically put Rosberg into a vulnerable place, and Rosberg dealt with that badly, giving Hamilton exactly what he wanted.
 
But likewise, you are allowed to drive the line if it's yours. You don't have to bail out and let someone pass because they try to force their car in where it won't fit. You could argue that as Rosberg was behind and on the outside, he can't just drive into the side of Hamilton who's ahead, inside the corner and with the racing line.

When Hamilton got up the inside of Rosberg in turn 1 (which only happened because of Rosberg's worse start), and held it around the bend, Rosberg had no chance to get that back around the outside of turn 2. At that point Rosberg could have slotted in behind Hamilton and taken him with DRS a couple of laps later. By forcing the issue when he was in a vulnerable position, Rosberg had to spend the race getting from fourth to second. A little thought at the second corner and he could have spent the race chasing down Hamilton instead.

Hamilton basically put Rosberg into a vulnerable place, and Rosberg dealt with that badly, giving Hamilton exactly what he wanted.

So you would've been fine with Rosberg pushing Hamilton onto the grass at turn one as Rosberg was in front and on the racing line?

Anything past the first lap and I think the Stewards would have reviewed it. Anything more than it being classed as a racing incident? I am not too sure.

Rosberg had a miserable race as did Vettel, but at least Nico got his second position back.

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Her reaction is amazing: https://streamable.com/5o67
 
Alonso was angling for the drive at Red Bull, and he would have been complaining about that. If he stayed at Ferrari, he would be complaining there too. Short of getting a seat at Mercedes, Alonso would not have been happy and would have been talking down the team. That's what he does, and why he leaves every team with bridges burning behind him.

It's probably a good thing he's coming to the end of his career. I doubt any top teams would take him unless he took a massive paycut. Especially when you have the newer and younger talent making their names.
 
So you would've been fine with Rosberg pushing Hamilton onto the grass at turn one as Rosberg was in front and on the racing line?

Anything past the first lap and I think the Stewards would have reviewed it. Anything more than it being classed as a racing incident? I am not too sure.

Rosberg had a miserable race as did Vettel, but at least Nico got his second position back.

If the positions had been reversed, I would say the same thing. If you put yourself in a position of vulnerability on the outside of a bend, and the driver on the inside takes his line and pushes you wide, that was something you should have expected was a possible outcome.

For that one incident when he was in the weaker position, Rosberg compromised his whole race. It's a silly thing to do right at the beginning, and it prevented Rosberg from having the whole of the rest of the race to get past Hamilton. He managed to turn a temporary disadvantage into a permanent one by forcing the confrontation when he was in a weaker position on track, and lost out badly because of it.
 
Yup, Massa being an entire massive **** at the start. Not quite Grosjean levels of stupid but he just squeezed RIcciardo for absolutely no reason. Once again with half the track available he pushed into the driver next to him without even thinking about the possibility that there might be a car on the other side of Ricciardo.

Ricciardo did well, he could have avoided massa by going into what, Kimi, but he wasn't a **** and didn't ruin someone elses race. I can't stand Massa.

So a driver isn't allowed to "squeeze" another driver then? I guess Hamilton was being "a massive ****" as well when he squeezed Rosberg at the end of the first corner? When everyone starts of the line, they are all trying to cover the other side of the track from which they started, even more so if they dont get a great start. Do you think they all stop and think about the possibility of another car the other side of the car beside them... nope, they don't.

Haters gonna hate.
 
Oh Herbert you bloody hypocrite!

Having a go at Alonso for allowing his frustration to boil over on team radio, then you do exactly the same thing on live TV and allow your frustration with him to boil over into (admittedly mild) expletives.
He spent the race in McLaren's hospitality, so my guess he was there listening to someone moaning about what Alonso said and felt the need to side with the guys that just paid for his free lunch and glasses of champers, hence the language which he then had to apologise for.
 
Alonso is part of the Mclaren Honda team too. It's not just him having a go at the top brass, he's stabbing everyone at the factory doing their best to build him a car.

Yes, the car is embarrassingly bad, but you have to agree with Ron when he says that saying this sort of thing over the radio to millions of viewers at the home of Honda is not constructive. Then in the post race interviews, Alonso is towing the party line again, like a two-faced liar.

The only thing this sort of thing will accomplish is to help Alonso get out of his contract early.

It's not like the digs at Honda for the engine started with the drivers is it. The drivers have just carried on with the line after the team members kept on making it public it was engine not the car. Vettel did the same when he wasn't happy and Hamilton did the same at Mclaren when in the car. He's even done it at Merc in the heat of battle.


I didn't even know the race was on today. That's 4 in a row I've missed, and I don't remember the last time that happened. I just can't find much in F1 to be excited about lately.

The least I have watched since 93. F1 is in a terrible state. It will recover, eventually.

That's what he does, and why he leaves every team with bridges burning behind him.

After what he pulled the last time he was at Mclaren no team should have touched him again. Yet they all forget that when they have the chance to sign the best driver since senna. Sadly F1 can forget any sins when you are that good.

It's probably a good thing he's coming to the end of his career. I doubt any top teams would take him unless he took a massive paycut. Especially when you have the newer and younger talent making their names.

They would all take him if he was available at the time they had a slot to get rid of someone. Look at Hamilton, his choices were stay at Mclaren or go to Merc. Very very few people on here thought that was that great an idea at the time. It's worked out but on the face of it with the budget they were talking and current form it wasn't like moving to a top team while heavily in demand.
 
Can he actually do that? He'd have more hassle breaching his contract surely (unless there's some sort of clause in it).
Maybe, just maybe, Alonso is doing it to create problems within the team to make it easier for to exit the team and use the $$ that he has raked in off the back of this contract to actually start up his cycling team that he wants in on. Cunning plan really as he is probably so hacked off and would have to spend a lot of money to break contract, that if he bad mouths enough, the Honda boss will butt rape Ron so much that Ron will effectively have to fire him. Obviously, we would never know that is what actually happened.
 
They would all take him if he was available at the time they had a slot to get rid of someone. Look at Hamilton, his choices were stay at Mclaren or go to Merc. Very very few people on here thought that was that great an idea at the time. It's worked out but on the face of it with the budget they were talking and current form it wasn't like moving to a top team while heavily in demand.

Its all the bridge burning that comes with him though... Then again you can see that with a lot of drivers. Give them a winning car and they are all sweetness and light. Then give them a car that gets overtaken by a Sauber and there is nothing they can physically do about it, "GP2 engines." :D

Its kind of similar to Redbull where they annoy their engine current manufacturer to the extent that they have to go their separate ways and then moan that they'll leave if no engine manufacturer wants to work with them or give them a new engine?!
 
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