Poll: Japanese Grand Prix 2019, Suzuka - Race 17/21

Rate the 2019 Japanese Grand Prix out of ten

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Flibster said:
Doesn't matter.
Where was Kimi's advantage?
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Nicely avoided....

Correct me if I am wrong, but Kimi's jump start was picked up in the transponder data, right?

Also, watch them both side by side... Kimi jumped out of the box, and left it almost totally!!

The transponders have a tolerance for a reason right? I imagine it's to stop false detection for the drivers moving about in the cars and the cars shifting about when engaging first gear, etc.

If the movement didn't trigger, it was not a jump start! Its pretty simply. Dont see why this is so hard to understand.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
Ok, let me show you the video...

http://maltopia.co.uk/vid/20191013_091531.mp4

Now, what do you think? The up and down movement is actually from the feed camera, not my shaky hand btw.. So this is what the stewards would have initially watch the start from...
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I saw it.

And what about the side\top view? You never saw that? because the fia and everyone else did.

Could be that I was watching it in 4K
 
deuse said:
I saw it.

And what about the side\top view? You never saw that? because the fia and everyone else did.

Could be that I was watching it in 4K
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I am not disputing that it happened, there was clearly movement shown later.. What I am saying that it was so small, it would not have been seen at the time, except by people at the scene, and people viewing the onboard.
Clearly it did not flag up in the data, so the stewards were oblivious, then had to deal with the many other more pressing issues. Then when people asked them to investigate after seeing the onboard/reports from the drivers (not sure which kicked it off), they did, and it was within the tolerance of a jump start, so no penalty...

What is so hard to understand?!
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
I am not disputing that it happened, there was clearly movement shown later..
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So he did brack the rule just like kimi.

What I am saying that it was so small, it would not have been seen at the time, except by people at the scene,and people viewing the onboard
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Oh. You mean the FIA?

Clearly it did not flag up in the data, so the stewards were oblivious, then had to deal with the many other more pressing issues. Then when people asked them to investigate after seeing the onboard/reports from the drivers (not sure which kicked it off), they did, and it was within the tolerance of a jump start, so no penalty...

What is so hard to understand?!
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They have all camera angles and they seen it before we did.
"so the stewards were oblivious" rubbish. Have you ever been inside the stewards room at a F1 circuit?
I have and there way loads more FIA staff watching video screens than what sky show you. At silverstone there is(including the FIA screen)21 screen and about 12 FIA staff
"more pressing issues" you mean should they let ferrari off with another penalty?

"within the tolerance of a jump start, so no penalty" So you admit they got kimi's jump start wrong or?
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
I am not disputing that it happened, there was clearly movement shown later.. What I am saying that it was so small, it would not have been seen at the time, except by people at the scene, and people viewing the onboard.
Clearly it did not flag up in the data, so the stewards were oblivious, then had to deal with the many other more pressing issues. Then when people asked them to investigate after seeing the onboard/reports from the drivers (not sure which kicked it off), they did, and it was within the tolerance of a jump start, so no penalty...

What is so hard to understand?!
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di Resta spotted it straight away from the world feed camera view.
Tried to mention it but Crofty was shouting over him. Eventually got it out after the Leclerc Verstappen incident.
 
Kimi was out of tolerance. Penalty
Vettel was in tolerance. No Penalty

Kimi launched out of the box. Its really not even close in terms of a comparison

I am not a fan of Vettel, far from it. But there was no offence committed, the data shows it.

I am quite sure they check the data from the start straight away and any jump start would flag immediately. It did not, and he got a terrible start.

Honestly, I know it can be fun to argue on the internet, but this really is stretching it?!
 
unKle said:
Session red flagged already! Kubica given his mechanics a nightmare task of getting that ready in a few hours.
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This is always the risk of qualifying on the same day as the race, and a big drawback for those asking for a two day race meeting for F1 ie if you bin the car in qualifying, you've got a few hours, instead of overnight to fix the car.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
Kimi was out of tolerance. Penalty
Vettel was in tolerance. No Penalty

Kimi launched out of the box. Its really not even close in terms of a comparison

I am not a fan of Vettel, far from it. But there was no offence committed, the data shows it.

I am quite sure they check the data from the start straight away and any jump start would flag immediately. It did not, and he got a terrible start.

Honestly, I know it can be fun to argue on the internet, but this really is stretching it?!
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You either a troll or you don't get it.

"36.13 - b) Positioned his car on the starting grid in such a way that the transponder is unable to detect the moment at which the car first moved from its grid position after the start signal is given."

The corrupt FIA chose to use the rule 36.13 - A. when in fact they should use both at the same time
and not use one rule.
 
Malt_Vinegar said:
I'm sure if you were in charge it would be all perfect eh?

The rules were relaxed, they stated they were going to get involved less and let the races be decided on the track.

A penalty for Vettel after ballsing up the start would have negated any challenge he made to Mercedes, after he had already compromised himself.

F1 made the right decision here for racing. If the movement of Vettel was outside of the tolerance, then there is an argument to penalise him, especially if he gained an advantage. However, he didnt gain an advantage, he didn't officially jump start anyway, AND he penalised himself reigning the car back in to avoid a jump start.
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Wow, point missed entirely. I never even mentioned Vettel, but sure, jump to your own bias.

Stewards back tracking on their previous decision. That is professional in a multi billion pound sport, right?

My point about the camera work completely glossed over.
 
deuse said:
You either a troll or you don't get it.

"36.13 - b) Positioned his car on the starting grid in such a way that the transponder is unable to detect the moment at which the car first moved from its grid position after the start signal is given."

The corrupt FIA chose to use the rule 36.13 - A. when in fact they should use both at the same time
and not use one rule.
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The rule is there to stop people parking up in the incorrect spot so the transponder cannot pick up movement at the start.

It did pick up movment, so he did not break that rule. He just did not move enough to trigger a penalty. Put yourself in the stewards position... No rules was broken according to the data, he didnt gain an advantage (in fact it cost him places).
 
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