Japan's 'hottest pin-up' only 12 yrs old.

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Right, so its ok to be a peadophile to the left of the imaginary line but on the right you go to jail for 30 years and they beat you sesnsless.

Their society may accept it and be different but its still ok for us to be disgusted by it. Im proud of my old conservative british ways :O

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locutus12 said:
indeed it does, we call it sick or at the very least disturbing, because to our style of living and way of life, it is. but thats not so in japanese culture, and as much as i hate to say this... im kind of siding with the japanese as what they do in their society is their choice and we have no right to judge or enforce as they are a sovereign country with their own values and they live by them as they see fit.
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I'd dump england for Japan in a second for it been such a rich culture.

And try some of the lowest crime rates in the world!
 
Efour2 said:
Right, so its ok to be a peadophile to the left of the imaginary line but on the right you go to jail for 30 years and they beat you sesnsless.
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So its ok for me to sleep with a girl age 15 in Spain, but i'd get put in prison in UK. You can't apply British views worldwide, it doesn't fit! Its like making a jigsaw with one piece. You have to accept that others have different views.

And, in my opinion, asians are a difficult topic anyway. Asian girls always look so young, is it worse for me to have a 16 year old asian gf which is legal in UK because i think she looks like she's 12 in the bedroom, or to buy a DVD of a 12 year old who looks like she's 16? By law, the former is allowed, but morally or however you want to put it, they are both as bad as each other. But you can't control how old a girl looks.

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Oxbow said:
Is this not Chid Porn in a disguised form? :confused:
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Is it?

What makes an image pornographic? Is it the image content, or the intent of the image creator?

If you've got a photo of a 12-year old in a school uniform, is it porn? What if it's my daughter, or grand-daughter? What about the same image but in a swimming costume?

What is a "child"? Does a photo that is unacceptable if the "child" is aged 15 years, 364 days, 23 hours and 50 minutes suddenly become acceptable 10 minutes later? Or if taken 10 minutes later?

Is there a difference between a picture of a girl in a school uniform where she is 15, and one where she isn't, but looks as if she is?

Why 16? Why not 15, or 17, or 15.5? Is there a reason, or is it just an arbitrary limit? I'd suggest the latter. And if it's an arbitrary limit, why is it legal and acceptable one side of it, and a serious criminal offence the other side, even if only separated by days, or minutes?

Is "pornography" not in the eyes of the beholder .... or the intent of the image creator? After all, one person may see a picture of a schoolgirl in uniform and think "Ahhh.... what a sweet child" and another may think "Phwoar..." etc.


I mean, there has to be a limit. But if it's possible for girls over 16 to dress up and look much younger, it is certainly possible for younger girls to dress up and look much older. Which one is porn?

On the other hand, there certainly comes a point where it's just sick. But, is that point actually a rational one, or a reflection of the cultural values of the society we are each raised in? I mean, if you have a society which sexualises everything, like ours does, then a picture of a child may be "pornographic", but if the intent of the creator and reaction of the viewer are not sexual, then all you have is a photo of a child.

Personally, I think we've done this to ourselves, and we've done it in recent years. It's the often-unwholesome influence of the media, and the advertising industry, if you ask me, because things were NOT like this in my childhood. A photo of a girl in school uniform was just a photo of a girl in a school uniform in those days. These days, I'd be VERY wary about pointing a camera at ANY child, without the careful and explicit permission of the parents, school uniform or not. What a sad reflection, condemnation even, of our society.
 
locutus12 said:
indeed it does, we call it sick or at the very least disturbing, because to our style of living and way of life, it is. but thats not so in japanese culture, and as much as i hate to say this... im kind of siding with the japanese as what they do in their society is their choice and we have no right to judge or enforce as they are a sovereign country with their own values and they live by them as they see fit.
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Some societies perform clitorectomies on girls and young women. In these cultures it is seen as their "style of living and way of life." Does this mean it's an acceptable practice?
 
Excellent post Sequoia.

We can see this in society everyday. For example I was a bus stop and there was a young cute child with his mother, I smiled at the child because he reminded me of my nephew. Now his mother could have gotten the wrong end of the stick. I wouldn't blame his mother because in this society one automatically starts to think for the worst.
 
IF any illegal acticity was being carried out, it would be stopped. IF a culture believes if to be acceptable, who the hell are you to step in and say ‘Er actually no, we are more righteous you.’.
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Actually, yes, In some cultures female circumcision is practiced and it is not voluntary, in other cultures degradation of women/homosexuals/handicapped is common including our own. Every human being has rights and if a society or a group of people think that they are above that well to bad, we (who believe in human rights) can step in and apply the appropriate measures. In this case children have special rights and while they may not be denied in this instance they are certainly sitting on the fence. Exploiting children in sexual manner is not considered "good taste" in my book. She may have the physical appearance of a 18 year old but if she is indeed 12. Michael Jackson isn't getting the same attention she is and look how he turned out. While this particular case isn't a good case book example but I hope that through this rebuttal that I have highlighted that there is a line and it can be crossed.
What should be taken into account is whats in the best interest for the child and I do not think that this is it.

I'd dump england for Japan in a second for it been such a rich culture.
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I hope you aren't implying that English culture isn't rich?
 
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Sequoia said:
if you ask me, because things were NOT like this in my childhood. A photo of a girl in school uniform was just a photo of a girl in a school uniform in those days. These days, I'd be VERY wary about pointing a camera at ANY child, without the careful and explicit permission of the parents, school uniform or not. What a sad reflection, condemnation even, of our society.
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Unless you're a lot older than I think, you're forgetting such things as St. Trinians which dates to WWII, so the concept of the sexy school girl, even if a 6th former, has been around for a long time.
 
Thread opener doesnt know much about japanese culture, obviously. They've always been of the perverse and twisted nature. If you'd bothered to do any research, you'd of found far worse, for example, selling foetus on the black market for a food delicacy. ( Awaits tiresome keyboard warrior to be corrected in some form )
 
First of all i am not saying its right, but we can't exactly go around throwing blame and insulting peoples cultures. Just because its what the west believes doesnt mean that it is the correct way. I mean America thinks 16 is to young for that kind of thing since their legal age is 18?? Does that mean we are all evil over here?? How many people in this thread where under 16 when they first had sex? I mean only recently we had a 12 year old giving birth in this country.
I bet there where a few people who seen nadine in Irish Popstars like 'i'd hit it' then when it all came out she was like 15 didnt think ohh i am bad i must be a pedo.

I am not saying i condone this kind of behaviour, but in my opinion even worse that the people getting off on this, is the parents!
 
Duke said:
The whole thing is sick. I really thought more of Japan as a country now.. shows how much I knew about them though.
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Japan has a very unique, diverse culture that should be experienced. Theres no reason it shouldnt be. Its the only place i plan to visit and experience when i have the time.
 
Some interesting points made in this thread. The subject of age has always been a difficult one. I can look at an 18 year old and say wow she is hot, but then if I see a girl and know she is 15 for some reason it will make me feel strange for thinking the same thought, now she may look the same as the 18yr old but the age totally influences my thought. Not because I cut it that black and white but because society and laws do.

I want to compare to bodybuilding for a sec, I can look at a male bodybuilder who is wearing nothing but underwear and appreciate his physique without feeling uncomfortable. Now some might not be able to do that, they may think its gay to look at a man in his underwear no matter in what circumstance.

So some will find it not a problem to look at a 12 yr old in a way that most of us see 16-18+ and others will have problems with it.
 
The way media has influenced their young and fragile minds has given them that expectation to look good, to look older. Make up, short skirts, low cut top e.t.c and lets face it, with all that, whos the wiser?
 
My opinion on this has been said a few times already so I can't be bothered to write it down. But I will say that, apart from her breasts, I think she looks like a normal 12 year old girl.
 
I_Am_Vengeance said:
Thread opener doesnt know much about japanese culture, obviously. They've always been of the perverse and twisted nature. If you'd bothered to do any research, you'd of found far worse, for example, selling foetus on the black market for a food delicacy. ( Awaits tiresome keyboard warrior to be corrected in some form )
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Wrong. My Uncle is Japanese born and was raised there til his mid-twenties and I am aware of plenty of things in their culture that I also find also abhorrent as well as some amazing and colourful traditions which I don't. He finds the attitude of a lot of Japanese men to young girls disgusting which is why I was interested in other people's opinions. Fact is, I raised this issue as I stumbled across the article while doing some research. I'd suggest that in future you don't make assumptions because it ends up with you looking stupid.

And of course you should expect to be corrected - you made incorrect assumptions - which will always lead to you being corrected by those you are spouting off about.
 
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It's gone on since man walked the earth its something we will never change i fear.

But to show its not just the japanese culture here is some info.

Marriage to Six-Year Old

In 624 Abu Bakr (Muhammad’s daily companion and one of his first believers and successor of Muhammad) gave Muhammad his daughter Aisha when she was six years old, although the actual marriage was not consummated until she was nine. This fact is uncontested by all Muslim scholars and chroniclers without exception). At the time of their marriage Muhammad was 54 years old (the age of her grandfather) – a difference of 45 years in their ages.

Aisha herself testified to these facts:

“The messenger of God betrothed me when I was six years old and then married me when I was nine years old.”

Source: Sahih Muslim (by Imam al-Mawawy), vol. 3, p. 577.
 
This is a really interesting thread and throws up allot of questions like, Is someone who looks at child models anymore likely to molest a child than a person that looks at 18+ models is likely to rape a woman? I'm a parent myself and while i worry about child molesters as much as any other parent i can't help feeling there's allot of scare mongering going on.

i think some guy looking at a picture of a 12yr girl is a far cry from someone patroling the streets looking for his next victim.

And how as it come to be that a picture of a girl in a swimsuit is now classed as child porn?

It's a crazy world we live in!
 
pumaz said:
And how as it come to be that a picture of a girl in a swimsuit is now classed as child porn?
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oh thats easy to answer...


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