Jeffrey Epstein

Colonel_Klinck said:
Yes Roar because that is what happens in civil court, you are found guilty in criminal court and liable in civil court.

She told two friends after it happened, they count.
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They count as what, friends willing to say something 20 years later? Is there any proof they aren't lying? This is for $5million.

Colonel_Klinck said:
Many women don't scream, they freeze, a totally normal response. Many women don't report it to the police because the conviction rates are shockingly bad and they often blame themselves.
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You know it can also be that something consensual happened and she just decided to make it into an entirely different thing many years later for a lot of money? You can't keep excusing women going after rich men for sexual assault years after the fact, it doesn't wash. Yeah I'm sure she just froze while they were kissing, if it even happened.

Colonel_Klinck said:
The judge is a Clinton judge :cry: :cry: You sound as bad as Trump.
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This is literally a fact though lol. The Judge was appointed by Bill Clinton, the husband of a political opponent who Trump accused of rape and sexual assault publicly. How can Trump possibly get a fair trial?

Colonel_Klinck said:
She sued him after he called her a liar. The jury found her story to be true, he could have taken the stand but didn't. The judge didn't dismiss the rape, the jury couldn't say for sure that it was his penis and not his fingers inside her as she couldn't be 100% sure either. Though the judge made a statement regarding this
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Basically there was no evidence, it doesn't mean anything, she said something happened and he denied it. Many years have passed. If there was a crime committed she would've gone to the Police at the time, or simply screamed and yelled as it was happening. None of that happened. She's promoting a book and enriching herself by claiming to be a victim of sexual assault, it's disgusting. No one from the Jury was present when it happened, the Judge wasn't present, none of them have a clue what happened, how can they say someone is guilty with no evidence and no witnesses? It's literally meaningless. It's like me accusing you of a crime that happened 20 years ago, you say it didn't happen and I say it did and people find you guilty who weren't present, what does it prove? **** all.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
The stuff that is out there, he was dodgy as ****, a criminal and could have connections to foreign intelligence services. He was a newspaper owner and so mixed in powerful circles just as they all do. I'm sure Murdoch also has connections to intelligence services.

Look I don't buy the whole thing was some setup to catch the rich and powerful and blackmail them. People like Epstein and Maxwell are drawn to each other, both got their kicks abusing people. They did what they did because they got off on it. Did Epstein keep some evidence as insurance in case any of his fellow abusers might grass on him? Maybe but why would anyone who partook in these crimes suddenly decide to go to the authorities and implicate themselves? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. There are people out there that get their kicks abusing others.
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I think considering the amount of blackmail that went on with gay people there is always someone looking to blackmail someone else.

Being a pedophile and working for an intelligence agency aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't buy the playing it down position. It is too coincidental.

If it were just pedophile activity Epstein wouldn't be inviting famous people. Having an illegal fetish isn't something I would imagine people want exposing.

The whole setup for paedophilia is too exposed.
 
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There is some suggestion he was an Israeli spy which is how he got his obscene amount of money from being a college drop out. Just rumours but you never know - it does kind of make sense - entertain rich and famous people to get "Kompromat". After all Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell was reported to be a Mossad double agent
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
that bolded bit, any evidence for that?

From what I can tell most people inclined to go with CT stuff are just sponges for others "thinking"
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I just comment on the statement of fact made by the poster that is in fact complete speculation based on what they have read online :D

"Think" is more polite.

"Oh the thinks you can think!"
 
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rumple9 said:
There is some suggestion he was an Israeli spy which is how he got his obscene amount of money from being a college drop out. Just rumours but you never know - it does kind of make sense - entertain rich and famous people to get "Kompromat". After all Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell was reported to be a Mossad double agent
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This is a theory I can get behind. I think he was being used to gather as much dirt on rich and famous people as possible for exploitation at a later date. 100%
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Do they? They all let him do it and consent to it? Then why is there over 20 women who accuse him of sexual assault and rape when he grabbed them? He was found liable for grabbing a women by her ****** last year and he'll be found liable again this year. So they don't let him do they.

You are defending what is sexual assault plain and simple.
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Roar frequently tries to defund convicted criminals, Nazis and war criminals
 
Roar87 said:
They count as what, friends willing to say something 20 years later? Is there any proof they aren't lying? This is for $5million.
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Yes they count as people who were told by the victim of what happened just after the event. Courts and juries take these as witnesses to back up the events of told by the victim as the time. These are New York socialites, you think $5m makes a massive difference spilt 3 ways and is worth committing perjury in court over? We know Trump is a compulsive liar, he opens his mouth and lies pour out , I'm sure the jury also took this into account.

Roar87 said:
You know it can also be that something consensual happened and she just decided to make it into an entirely different thing many years later for a lot of money? You can't keep excusing women going after rich men for sexual assault years after the fact, it doesn't wash. Yeah I'm sure she just froze while they were kissing, if it even happened.
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Trump told us what he did in that recording, he just goes up to a woman he found attractive and would start kissing them and would grab their genitals. That is exactly what she said happened here. The guy has told us what he is, yet you seem to be struggling to believe he would do it. When someone tells you what they are its wise to listen. Just because he said "they just let you do it" doesn't mean its in any way consensual. Some woman who are raped "just let you do it" does that mean they weren't raped? This is why I said = "all women" in your head you seem to be assuming they all consented because he said "they let you do it" Its amazing how your mind seems to work.

Roar87 said:
This is literally a fact though lol. The Judge was appointed by Bill Clinton, the husband of a political opponent who Trump accused of rape and sexual assault publicly. How can Trump possibly get a fair trial?
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Then you appeal. That is how the justice system works. If he and his lawyers felt the judge was wrong in any of his decisions in the case he has the right to appeal up the chain of appeals courts. Did he appeal? No he didn't. If you were rich and were found liable but the judge had been biased/made errors would you appeal? I think you would. Saying its was a "Clinton judge" is just Trumpism 101. The system can't be trusted because the judge wasn't appointed by Trump. You know where that leads right?

Roar87 said:
Basically there was no evidence, it doesn't mean anything, she said something happened and he denied it. Many years have passed. If there was a crime committed she would've gone to the Police at the time, or simply screamed and yelled as it was happening. None of that happened. She's promoting a book and enriching herself by claiming to be a victim of sexual assault, it's disgusting. No one from the Jury was present when it happened, the Judge wasn't present, none of them have a clue what happened, how can they say someone is guilty with no evidence and no witnesses?
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What you are saying is no historical crime/event can be looked at in civil court unless there are witnesses or the person reported the crime at the time. Thankfully the system isn't run by you and the courts have ways to deal with it. Funny how you jump to the defence of people like Trump and Tate who you admire but people like Clinton who you don't you condemn. You are that shallow, you put your own feelings about the person ahead of anything else. For the record I think Clinton likely took part in crimes with Epstein, be it just having sex with sex trafficked women and possibly with minors. He like Trump enjoyed young attractive women and if invited to a party where they would be and anything that happens there stays there I think they'd be all over it.

Roar87 said:
It's literally meaningless. It's like me accusing you of a crime that happened 20 years ago, you say it didn't happen and I say it did and people find you guilty who weren't present, what does it prove? **** all.
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No its not like that at all because he wasn't found guilty, this wasn't a criminal trial, he didn't lose his freedom. Its a civil case and it was about him defaming her. She said he did something, he called her a liar and made further statements that were used against him in court and the jury found that it was more likely she was telling the truth than he was.
 
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BowdonUK said:
I think considering the amount of blackmail that went on with gay people there is always someone looking to blackmail someone else.

Being a pedophile and working for an intelligence agency aren't mutually exclusive.

I don't buy the playing it down position. It is too coincidental.

If it were just pedophile activity Epstein wouldn't be inviting famous people. Having an illegal fetish isn't something I would imagine people want exposing.

The whole setup for paedophilia is too exposed.
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If that were true why do pedophile rings get taken down? These people share what they do with others, they share the crimes, some people like to be around others who share their perversions and commit the crimes together.

And not all Epstien's crimes were with minors. Women of legal age were sex trafficked and coerced by him and Maxwell.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
If that were true why do pedophile rings get taken down? These people share what they do with others, they share the crimes, some people like to be around others who share their perversions and commit the crimes together.

And not all Epstien's crimes were with minors. Women of legal age were sex trafficked and coerced by him and Maxwell.
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I suspect they get taken down through over exposure and selling the material.

Epstein, I believe, was doing it for power and influence. It isn't clear where his money was coming from to set all this up.

From what we read is Epstein was filming these people. The only reason someone would record someone doing something illegal is for future blackmail.

I'm not sure if @Mercenary Keyboard Warrior was angry at my post for the suggestion gay people used to be blackmailed?

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It still goes on these days to, including rumours about a former TV presenter being involved in that activity.

I believe the term is sextortion.
 
BowdonUK said:
I suspect they get taken down through over exposure and selling the material.

Epstein, I believe, was doing it for power and influence. It isn't clear where his money was coming from to set all this up.

From what we read is Epstein was filming these people. The only reason someone would record someone doing something illegal is for future blackmail.

I'm not sure if @Mercenary Keyboard Warrior was angry at my post for the suggestion gay people used to be blackmailed?

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It still goes on these days to, including rumours about a former TV presenter being involved in that activity.

I believe the term is sextortion.
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That is pure speculation. I would imagine coming from there being video tapes in his safe. For all we know they could have been of him carrying out his crimes and he recorded them so he could watch them back again and relive the experience again and again.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
That is pure speculation. I would imagine coming from there being video tapes in his safe. For all we know they could have been of him carrying out his crimes and he recorded them so he could watch them back again and relive the experience again and again.
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If they was of himself, and he had all the girl contacts, then he wouldn't need to invite anyone else.

Whatever the background of Epstein is I think he lured famous people to his place, put them in a compromising promising position, and recorded it.

Then you have control of that person. They will do anything for you.

I've noticed in these secret societies they want a compromised person otherwise the person is a liability.
 
BowdonUK said:
If they was of himself, and he had all the girl contacts, then he wouldn't need to invite anyone else.

Whatever the background of Epstein is I think he lured famous people to his place, put them in a compromising promising position, and recorded it.

Then you have control of that person. They will do anything for you.

I've noticed in these secret societies they want a compromised person otherwise the person is a liability.
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If that were true why would people keep going back and word would spread in those circles to avoid for that reason.

I'm not saying its impossible, government intelligence services are known to trap people of interest with such blackmail but this guy could just be a perv and rapist who did what he did because he got off on it.
 
I don't think its hard to follow either.
The rich like to associate with the rich, politicians especially since they are always after campaign funding.

The rich like politicians as they see avenues for their own benefit.

There is another thing the rich and anyone who is heavily in the public eye like, in fact crave really. Some downtime OUT of the public eye.
Private islands are the absolute best for that, although modern super yachts are now almost as good in many respects. Its very much the reason many of the rich have precisely these islands and others pay a lot of money to visit these islands (usually on their own).
I mean Branson being one of the most famous UK ones. And thats not for dodgy reasons, its just they dont want someone constantly hastling them, taking photos of everything they do, etc.
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
If that were true why would people keep going back and word would spread in those circles to avoid for that reason.

I'm not saying its impossible, government intelligence services are known to trap people of interest with such blackmail but this guy could just be a perv and rapist who did what he did because he got off on it.
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I'm not sure the people trapped realise they are trapped. They just think they are getting away with something, and also socially connecting with people.

Why would Prince Andrew keep going to visit Epstein after he had been convicted of pedophile crimes? They become obsessed. It's the same reason people can become addicted to pron.

If it was only a sexual enterprise, how come Stephen Hawking was there?
 
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