Jeffrey Epstein

remembering that 18 is the age of consent in the US.
ackshually in the majority of states (34) its 16. Google is your friend when making sweeping statements.

No Roar is saying that Trump saying he liked to just "grab them by the ******" is fine because women like rich men to do that. Clearly they all don't or he wouldn't have numerous accusations of rape and sexual assault against him.
No, its there in black and white in one of the posts you quoted
There are a lot of women out there who find billionaires attractive and will let them do anything if it means getting close to them and experiencing their life style, those are just the facts unfortunately.
You've decided that means all women.
That anyone even attempts to defend someone just grabbing women's genitals is laughable. You guys are very odd in the people you like to defend. If Bill Clinton was right wing you'd likely be making excuses for him.
Not at all, you just ignore context as usual.
 
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No it's not. There are a few states where its under 18.
However IIRC the federal age of consent is 18, and it doesn't matter what the age is in individual states the moment you take someone under that age across any state line for the purposes of sex the federal law kicks in, in part to prevent the situation where someone takes a child from their home state which might be 18 to another state that might be 16 or lower.
IIRC any use of an aircraft even inside a state also activates that law in theory, because it's a federally controlled form of transport.

There is also the movement of people for the purposes of sex that can in itself from memory be a crime on it's own if there is any form of payment or coercion involved regardless of age.
 
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try again

No, I know he hasn't worded it well but it's obvious from the sentence I quoted which was before that one that he acknowledges that some women will be like that. The sentence you're quoting is talking about all the women who have been grabbed by the *****, not all women in general.

Hence the point about there being sexual assault allegations, obviously all the women he did grab didn't like it.
 
I don't think you know what that even means. Roar is saying that women like to have their genitals grabbed by rich men. That is his excuse for Trump's comments. Clearly the over 20 that have accused him of assault and rape don't agree with Roar's statement.

I think I very deliberately chose my words and that it is absolutely not all women. Could you be honest in what you're posting in future and stop lying. I cannot stand liars.
 
ackshually in the majority of states (34) its 16. Google is your friend when making sweeping statements.

These are federal sex trafficking crimes the moment he took any women over a state line, so that is everyone who went to his island. What is the federal age of consent? You could use google but I'll save you the trouble, its 18.
 
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I think I very deliberately chose my words and that it is absolutely not all women. Could you be honest in what you're posting in future and stop lying. I cannot stand liars.

What you failed to realise about the whole quote about Trump saying he grabs them by the pussy, is that he's saying they'll let him do that. There are a lot of women out there who find billionaires attractive and will let them do anything if it means getting close to them and experiencing their life style, those are just the facts unfortunately. Trump will have slept with hundreds of attractive women purely based on the fact he's extremely wealthy. Sleeping with women becomes trivial for a lot of men in that position, they don't even have to try - which is basically what Trump said in that audio. I'm not sure why men like you find Trump openly stating this so offensive or shocking when it's completely obvious.

I find your whole pivot to Ivanka thing weird, how about Biden showering with his daughter, or all those clips of him sniffing hair and stroking young girls? Do I seriously need to post it yet again?

Do they? They all let him do it and consent to it? Then why is there over 20 women who accuse him of sexual assault and rape when he grabbed them? He was found liable for grabbing a women by her ****** last year and he'll be found liable again this year. So they don't let him do they.

You are defending what is sexual assault plain and simple.
 
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I've not read the list of names. But my own view is that this Epstein situation was some kind of honeypot trapped by the establishment.

It can't be a coincidence that Maxwell was involved. Her father was suspected of being an agent for Mossad.

From what I've seen regarding Trump is he seems asexual, some psycho/sociopathic people are.

I think when Epstein got on the anti Trump train he became a liability. Once ANY conversations happen about the operation the whole enterprise becomes unsafe.

Nobody will be prosecuted for this.
 
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I've not read the list of names. But my own view is that this Epstein situation was some kind of honeypot trapped by the establishment.

It can't be a coincidence that Maxwell was involved. Her father was suspected of being an agent for Mossad.

From what I've seen regarding Trump is he seems asexual, some psycho/sociopathic people are.

I think when Epstein got on the anti Trump train he became a liability. Once ANY conversations happen about the operation the whole enterprise becomes unsafe.

Nobody will be prosecuted for this.

You need victims to come forward and testify to indict people and as far as I am aware no one has other than against Epstein and Maxwell. So no I doubt we will see anyone indicted. What came out in the court docs seems like the nothing burger we were told to expect. Everyone already knew Prince Andrew was a wrong un so nothing new there. At least this might help prevent his move back into public life.

Not sure I buy into your CT there though. When did Epstein get on the anti Trump train again?
 
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Do they? They all let him do it and consent to it? Then why is there over 20 women who accuse him of sexual assault and rape when he grabbed them? He was found liable for grabbing a women by her ****** last year and he'll be found liable again this year. So they don't let him do they.

You are defending what is sexual assault plain and simple.

I love how you're having to say "found liable" because it was a civil trial. There was no evidence, no witnesses, she didn't scream or protest during the assault which she claimed was rape but the judge dismissed, and she didn't press any charges at the time. Oh and who was the Judge? One appointed by Bill Clinton. She waited over 20 years and sued for $5million after releasing a book. These women are doing a disservice to actual victims.
 
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You need victims to come forward and testify to indict people and as far as I am aware no one has other than against Epstein and Maxwell. So no I doubt we will see anyone indicted. What came out in the court docs seems like the nothing burger we were told to expect. Everyone already knew Prince Andrew was a wrong un so nothing new there. At least this might help prevent his move back into public life.

Not sure I buy into your CT there though. When did Epstein get on the anti Trump train again?
Just before the light got turned against bill Clinton during the Trump vs Hillary Clinton debate.

Someone will have the video tapes. I think that was the purpose of it.

Just out of interest, how much do you know about Robert Maxwell?
 
I love how you're having to say "found liable" because it was a civil trial. There was no evidence, no witnesses, she didn't scream or protest during the assault which she claimed was rape but the judge dismissed, and she didn't press any charges at the time. Oh and who was the Judge? One appointed by Bill Clinton. She waited over 20 years and sued for $5million after releasing a book. These women are doing a disservice to actual victims.

Yes Roar because that is what happens in civil court, you are found guilty in criminal court and liable in civil court.

She told two friends after it happened, they count. Many women don't scream, they freeze, a totally normal response. Many women don't report it to the police because the conviction rates are shockingly bad and they often blame themselves.

The judge is a Clinton judge :cry: :cry: You sound as bad as Trump.

She sued him after he called her a liar. The jury found her story to be true, he could have taken the stand but didn't. The judge didn't dismiss the rape, the jury couldn't say for sure that it was his penis and not his fingers inside her as she couldn't be 100% sure either. Though the judge made a statement regarding this

A judge has now clarified that this is basically a legal distinction without a real-world difference. He says that what the jury found Trump did was in fact rape, as commonly understood.

The filing from Judge Lewis A. Kaplan came as Trump’s attorneys have sought a new trial and have argued that the jury’s $5 million verdict against Trump in the civil suit was excessive. The reason, they argue, is that sexual abuse could be as limited as the “groping” of a victim’s breasts.

The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.
He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Kaplan said New York’s legal definition of “rape” is “far narrower” than the word is understood in “common modern parlance.”

The former requires forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one’s penis. But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for — forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”

Kaplan also flatly rejected the Trump team’s suggestion that the conduct Trump was found liable for might have been as limited as groping of the breasts.

The reason? Trump was not accused of that, so the only alleged offense that would have qualified as “sexual abuse” was forced digital penetration. Beyond that, Trump was accused of putting his mouth on Carroll’s mouth and pulling down her tights, which Kaplan noted were not treated as alleged sexual abuse at trial.
“The jury’s finding of sexual abuse therefore necessarily implies that it found that Mr. Trump forcibly penetrated her vagina,” Kaplan wrote, calling it the “only remaining conclusion.”
Kaplan also noted that the verdict form did not ask the jury to decide exactly what conduct Trump had committed, and that neither prosecutors nor Trump’s lawyers had requested it to do so.


“Mr. Trump’s attempt to minimize the sexual abuse finding as perhaps resting on nothing more than groping of Ms. Carroll’s breasts through her clothing is frivolous,” Kaplan wrote.
He added that the jury clearly found that Trump had “ ‘raped’ her in the sense of that term broader than the New York Penal Law definition.”
The former requires forcible, unconsented-to penetration with one’s penis. But he said that the conduct the jury effectively found Trump liable for — forced digital penetration — meets a more common definition of rape. He cited definitions offered by the American Psychological Association and the Justice Department, which in 2012 expanded its definition of rape to include penetration “with any body part or object.”


You know who does a disservice to victims, you. You are a sick man.
 
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Just out of interest, how much do you know about Robert Maxwell?

The stuff that is out there, he was dodgy as ****, a criminal and could have connections to foreign intelligence services. He was a newspaper owner and so mixed in powerful circles just as they all do. I'm sure Murdoch also has connections to intelligence services.

Look I don't buy the whole thing was some setup to catch the rich and powerful and blackmail them. People like Epstein and Maxwell are drawn to each other, both got their kicks abusing people. They did what they did because they got off on it. Did Epstein keep some evidence as insurance in case any of his fellow abusers might grass on him? Maybe but why would anyone who partook in these crimes suddenly decide to go to the authorities and implicate themselves? Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one. There are people out there that get their kicks abusing others.
 
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You know a Physician described the bones in his neck being broken as consistent with someone who has been strangled to death by way of Homicide?



Remember, he supposedly hung himself from a bed that wasn't as tall as he was, there wasn't some massive force, and he used bedsheets.

There was also blood on Epsteins neck, but not blood on the actual bedsheet being used to strangle him. All this has seemingly been dismissed.
On the height of the bed. A mate's dad killed himself by wrapping a cord around his neck, A door knob and then just sitting down. Almost like a choke hold. He sat down, Passed out and passed away shortly afterwards.
 
On the height of the bed. A mate's dad killed himself by wrapping a cord around his neck, A door knob and then just sitting down. Almost like a choke hold. He sat down, Passed out and passed away shortly afterwards.

It's definitely possible, it's just the marks and injuries aren't consistent with what happened, the ligature has no blood on it, there was even a more suitable choice to use as a ligature. Medicine bottles were still standing on the top bunk. The details are just bizarre and don't quite add up.
 
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