Jeffrey Epstein

Remember a fact today may not be a fact tomorrow.

You’d do well to remember that yourself as you already claimed a “fact” (that nobody you or I know can prove yet you are so certain about it).

Claiming things are true without proof or saying ”I think” in front of your speculation is part of the problem these days. Be better.
 
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High profile person, mixed with the world's elites, politicians and royalty. Had dirty secrets from those at the top

“I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials.

Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor, added, “I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

Exactly... The very excerpt you quoted demonstrated that a qualified medical professional used the term "I think....."

But you continue to assert that what *you think* is fact.
 






High profile person, mixed with the world's elites, politicians and royalty. Had dirty secrets from those at the top

“I think that the evidence points to homicide rather than suicide,” said Dr. Baden, who observed the autopsy done by city officials.

Dr. Baden, a former New York City medical examiner and a Fox News contributor, added, “I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case.”

The problem with the US is each side will hire an expert to give a report that supports their narrative. You see it all the time in court cases over there. As long as there is some ambiguity on what could have happened they can make it work for their client and get their payday, ethics is secondary.
 
I guess you see see it as he wasn't then, and believe what's written in newspapers etc... or what the system wants you to believe is evidence. Lol, I think I have to be careful, next time I'll add a tone indicator to clarify “/s”.

See, now you're getting it. All you had to say was "I guess he was murdered" and we could have avoided all this nonsense.

Also.. "What the system wants you to believe" ... Really? are we going down *that* rabbit-hole now? :rolleyes: :confused:
 

The video she claims to have seen and copied is of Clinton, Andrew and Branson having sex with what sounds like an adult women. Unless that women is claiming she was coerced into this then what law has been broken to justify publishing the video? Ransome was 22 when she said she was abused by Epstein and Maxwell, that means her friend was likely of a similar age. Obviously if the video shows her friend being abused that is a different story.

That story does claim Trump had sex with numerous women at Epstein parties at his New York home.
 
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The video she claims to have seen and copied is of Clinton, Andrew and Branson having sex with what sounds like an adult women. Unless that women is claiming she was coerced into this then what law has been broken to justify publishing the video? Ransome was 22 when she said she was abused by Epstein and Maxwell, that means her friend was likely of a similar age. Obviously if the video shows her friend being abused that is a different story.

That story does claim Trump had sex with numerous women at Epstein parties at his New York home.
I'm genuinely curious as to why you have taken the position of defending Epstein?

You're the only person I've seen giving Epstein the benefit of doubt.
 
I'm genuinely curious as to why you have taken the position of defending Epstein?

You're the only person I've seen giving Epstein the benefit of doubt.

Sorry? Where in this thread have I defended Epstein? The man was a scum bag and likely imo a rapist (of adult women), certainly a pedo and sex trafficker. What I said in that post was that unless there was an actual crime taking place there seems no justification to release video of those 3 men having sex with a consenting (if she was consenting) adult woman other than people wanting to see it. I'd love to see video of Trump released but it doesn't mean it should be. It says in the story that Epstein doesn't appear in the video anywhere.
 
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Sorry? Where in this thread have I defended Epstein? The man was a scum bag and likely imo a rapist (of adult women), certainly a pedo and sex trafficker. What I said in that post was that unless there was an actual crime taking place there seems no justification to release video of those 3 men having sex with a consenting (if she was consenting) adult woman other than people wanting to see it. I'd love to see video of Trump released but it doesn't mean it should be. It says in the story that Epstein doesn't appear in the video anywhere.

As the existence of video tape recordings become more likely, you seem to be making assumptions that the women were over age and consented, even though you don't know.

Epstein was a convicted pedophile. I doubt his main focus is on above legal age women.
 
I'm genuinely curious as to why you have taken the position of defending Epstein?

You're the only person I've seen giving Epstein the benefit of doubt.

Don’t think I’ve seen anyone online with Trump derangement syndrome on the level as his. Imagine if she said there’s vids of Trump, you’d think he’d be saying oh well we don’t know if the girls are underage or anything illegal has happened.

Absolutely fascinating how obsessive this guy is, and will bizarrely defend establishment at all times
 
As the existence of video tape recordings become more likely, you seem to be making assumptions that the women were over age and consented, even though you don't know.

Epstein was a convicted pedophile. I doubt his main focus is on above legal age women.

Did you read the story? It clearly says Ransome was 22 when this happened and she speaks about "her friend". Do you think her friend was a minor at the time because it makes no mention of that and if she was that would be front and centre of the story. I've said several times in this thread that Epstein trafficked adult women, not just minors. Have you actually read anything about him other than CT stuff because you seem under the impression that he just abused minors which is not in any way true.
 
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Don’t think I’ve seen anyone online with Trump derangement syndrome on the level as his. Imagine if she said there’s vids of Trump, you’d think he’d be saying oh well we don’t know if the girls are underage or anything illegal has happened.

Absolutely fascinating how obsessive this guy is, and will bizarrely defend establishment at all times

Be quiet that adults are talking. Shouldn't you be over on The Donald, your go to place for "facts".
 
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Don’t think I’ve seen anyone online with Trump derangement syndrome on the level as his. Imagine if she said there’s vids of Trump, you’d think he’d be saying oh well we don’t know if the girls are underage or anything illegal has happened.

Absolutely fascinating how obsessive this guy is, and will bizarrely defend establishment at all times

Oh dear, here we go :D


"Those of weak mind are easily convinced of nonsense" - someone, somewhere, probably.
 
Did you read the story? It clearly says Ransome was 22 when this happened and she speaks about "her friend". Do you think her friend was a minor at the time because it makes no mention of that and if she was that would be front and centre of the story. I've said several times in this thread that Epstein trafficked adult women, not just minors. Have you actually read anything about him other than CT stuff because you seem under the impression that he just abused minors which is not in any way true.
It depends what type of friend this person is. If she is someone who met Ransome at the island then she could be under 18.

I've not said he was trafficking in only minors. But for the default position to be 'it can be all innocently explained away' when we know there is a cloud over him seems to be giving him the benefit of doubt.

We also don't know how long women were on the island. I suspect there wouldn't be a big turn over of women, so women now over 18 might have started when they were younger.

Human trafficking suggests to me that they didn't have the freedom to leave.
 
Why is this tape thing even speculation? Have you read the news article?

Sarah Ransome, who says she was a victim of Epstein, wrote in emails to a reporter in 2016 outlining claims the Duke of York, the ex-US president and the billionaire businessman were filmed having sex with her unnamed friend on separate occasions by the paedophile US financier.

A New Yorker article, released in 2019, reported Ms Ransome admitted "she had invented the tapes to draw attention to Epstein's behaviour, and to make him believe that she had 'evidence that would come out if he harmed me'".

On behalf of Sir Richard Branson, a Virgin Group spokeswoman said: "In a New Yorker report published in 2019, Ransome admitted that she had 'invented' the tapes. We can confirm that Sarah Ransome's claims are baseless and unfounded."
 
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