Joe Lycett - Qatar/Beckham debate

Zatoichi.uK · 24 Nov 2022 at 21:49

Dirk Diggler said:
Of course I did, on what basis could anyone challenge that?

I don't feed trolls.

Hagar · 24 Nov 2022 at 22:14

Tony Edwards said:
No youre not. Spartacus was a progressive.

So am I when it comes to music.

Dirk Diggler · 25 Nov 2022 at 04:21

Zatoichi.uK said:
I don't feed trolls.

What you on, a hunger strike?

If you're not interested in having a conversation then fine, but you really should realise that if you quote someone then subsequently refuse to engage with the reply - choosing to post abrupt insults instead - there's a name for that...

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 17:16

World Cup: Forcing Saudi Arabia to sell beer if it wins 2030 bid 'would be Islamophobic', says minister

Saudi Arabia is exploring an ambitious joint bid to host the 2030 World Cup with Greece and Egypt, but their conservative laws would likely come under the same scrutiny that Qatar's have during this year's tournament.

news.sky.com

Unfortunately it seems to have been a loaded question.

Asked if it would be Islamophobic to impose alcohol requirements on a tournament, Saudi sports minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Turki Al-Faisal told Sky News: "Yes, because the World Cup is for everyone."

He added: "If you are against that, and you don't feel like you're going to enjoy your time coming, and you can't respect that rule, then don't come. It's as simple as that."

StriderX · 25 Nov 2022 at 17:20

One part of this event though that I've only just realised since it's become practically irrelevant here is how China perceives the almost total lack of Covid-related measures that they still have to follow.

Dirk Diggler · 25 Nov 2022 at 18:47

With people having flags confiscated for having slogans saying simply "women", then shame on anyone who dismisses this as "their country, their rules".

Iran offer powerful show of defiance on day of jeers, tears and joy

The fans made their feelings known before the players did the country proud with a 2-0 World Cup victory over Wales

www.theguardian.com

danlightbulb · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:01

What I don't understand with all this is why we're only having the conversations now. Qatar was selected over 10 years ago. Why weren't these issues so high profile back then?

Also, if FIFA is such a poor corrupt organisation, why don't all the big footballing countries just get together and form a breakaway organisation and run their own world cup.

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:07

danlightbulb said:
What I don't understand with all this is why we're only having the conversations now. Qatar was selected over 10 years ago. Why weren't these issues so high profile back then?

There were conversations as soon as they won but it took a £10k skit, some supposed woke celebs and finally beergate.

C Kent · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:20

danlightbulb said:
What I don't understand with all this is why we're only having the conversations now. Qatar was selected over 10 years ago. Why weren't these issues so high profile back then?

They were, the trouble is that previously being critical of Islam and all that entails was labeled as Islamophobic, which seems to have gone away as those on the left finally catch up to the rest of us. I have noticed that the current discussions are treading very carefully around the most obvious of elephants in the room however.

Dirk Diggler · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:42

danlightbulb said:
What I don't understand with all this is why we're only having the conversations now. Qatar was selected over 10 years ago. Why weren't these issues so high profile back then?

Also, if FIFA is such a poor corrupt organisation, why don't all the big footballing countries just get together and form a breakaway organisation and run their own world cup.

It's been criticised from the start, it's just getting much more publicity now that the tournament has kicked off and the world's media is fixed on events.

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:49

C Kent said:
They were, the trouble is that previously being critical of Islam and all that entails was labeled as Islamophobic, which seems to have gone away as those on the left finally catch up to the rest of us. I have noticed that the current discussions are treading very carefully around the most obvious of elephants in the room however.

They were or they werent? make your mind up.

I highly doubt it was those that support or follow right wingers were the ones the left had to catch up with.

C Kent · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:51

Tony Edwards said:
They were or they werent? make your mind up.

I highly doubt it was those that support or follow right wingers were the ones the left had to catch up with.

Issues reading as usual I see dude.

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:56

C Kent said:
Issues reading as usual I see dude.

Well you claim the left didnt say anything because muslims then you claimed it was the right that was speaking up first. One of your usual no sense posts.

C Kent · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:59

Tony Edwards said:
Well you claim the left didnt say anything because muslims then you claimed it was the right that was speaking up first. One of your usual no sense posts.

Well done you did understand, who's a clever boy. As usual you are unable to comprehend the most basic of premises though.

dowie · 25 Nov 2022 at 19:59

The Qataris are now wearing pro-Palestinian armbands:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595786945757593602

Though pro-Palestinian insignia isn't so popular in Europe as some Celtic fans found out:

UEFA fine Celtic for Palestine flags

Celtic have been fined £8,616 by UEFA after fans displayed an "illicit banner" during their Champions League qualifier against Hapoel Be'er Sheva.

www.espn.com

Celtic have been fined £8,616 by UEFA after fans displayed an "illicit banner" during their recent Champions League qualifier against Hapoel Be'er Sheva.

Fans flew Palestine flags before and during the match against Israeli opposition at Parkhead on Aug. 17, resulting in a charge from European football's governing body.

UEFA viewed the flags as illicit banners under Article 16 of its disciplinary regulations and at a disciplinary hearing the complaint against the Scottish champions was upheld and the club were fined.

Rainbow flags and rainbow bucket hats are now allowed for the fans in Qatar and were permitted for the Wales vs Iran game.

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 20:01

C Kent said:
Well done you did understand, who's a clever boy. As usual you are unable to comprehend the most basic of premises though.

But what you said is total ********.

Dirk Diggler · 25 Nov 2022 at 20:04

dowie said:
Though pro-Palestinian insignia isn't so popular in Europe as some Celtic fans found out:

We also expressed our feelings on the monarchy, that didn't go down too well either.

..And they try to say the liberals among us are easily offended.

StriderX · 25 Nov 2022 at 20:04

dowie said:
The Qataris are now wearing pro-Palestinian armbands:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1595786945757593602

Though pro-Palestinian insignia isn't so popular in Europe as some Celtic fans found out:

UEFA fine Celtic for Palestine flags

Celtic have been fined £8,616 by UEFA after fans displayed an "illicit banner" during their Champions League qualifier against Hapoel Be'er Sheva.

www.espn.com

Rainbow flags and rainbow bucket hats are now allowed for the fans in Qatar and were permitted for the Wales vs Iran game.

It'd be a bit more controversial if it was pro-Hamas, but pro-Palestine is hardly controversial.

Tony Edwards · 25 Nov 2022 at 20:07

StriderX said:
It'd be a bit more controversial if it was pro-Hamas, but pro-Palestine is hardly controversial.

Even after the kosher food ban?

dowie · 25 Nov 2022 at 20:14

StriderX said:
It'd be a bit more controversial if it was pro-Hamas, but pro-Palestine is hardly controversial.

Depends on where you display the flags/insignia. See the bit about the fines for Celtic fans...