Joe Rogan and Spotify

LCG-xyz said:
Do you think there's been a shift in the last few years?

To me it feels like we'd reached a point where it was generally understood that racism was bad and racists at least knew they were in the wrong. That equation has changed, the racists have somehow become empowered and are more vehement in their views.

Plus there's constant signposting by the media, 'don't forget about racism', 'hey guys, racism is still a thing', 'racism everyone'

Then we get things like diversity quotas and representation, new buzz words that keep shining a light on the issue. For me racism wasn't an issue when I was growing up, Bristol is pretty multicultural and it just wasn't 'a thing'. I'd go to all kinds of events with a wide range of ethnicities and never thought twice about it. It just was what it was.

Feels like we get manipulated to make things a bigger issue than they should be. We're taking steps back here, not moving forward.
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Maybe it is pointed out more because it is still an issue but they'd never have got away with pointing it out in the 90s.

If you are white then how do you know it wasn't a thing? Just because you maybe hardly heard it doesn't mean the people it was aimed at didn't. Plus young people don't tend to be as racist if raised in a multi ethnic community, racism is learned. There was no shortage of racism in our parents and grandparents generation in the 80s and 90s (I'm 51).

Why do the racists feel empowered? What has changed that has meant its acceptable to be racist again?
 
melanin stuff is plagiarized from rogans recent controversial podcast - I guess you knew.

podcast biography of rogan from accredited journalism - he who lives by the sword ..
Joe Rogan, host of Spotify’s most popular podcast, has been accused of spreading Covid misinformation on his show. Mark Coles profiles the former comedian and martial arts fighter
from fear factor presenter(that!), to provocative must have to his 20 million (critically thinking) young white american male disciples..

empowered ... wasn't brexit a statement of racism ... ironically the programme following above puts a slant on brexit that (unlike the germans) we may have now destined ourselves to a future of declining population and no rejuvinated workforce to support a centennial population.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Maybe it is pointed out more because it is still an issue but they'd never have got away with pointing it out in the 90s.

If you are white then how do you know it wasn't a thing? Just because you maybe hardly heard it doesn't mean the people it was aimed at didn't. Plus young people don't tend to be as racist if raised in a multi ethnic community, racism is learned. There was no shortage of racism in our parents and grandparents generation in the 80s and 90s (I'm 51).

Why do the racists feel empowered? What has changed that has meant its acceptable to be racist again?
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Without wanting to open a can of worms just be aware of narratives and their purposes.

You don't think there's been a massive shift in the last few years? I feel like some of the reasons are pretty obvious, I can spell it out if needed.

Our father's probably would have been similar ages. My dad, when he was a kid was friends with a black boy and soon learnt that was frowned upon. He was then 'a bit racist' his whole life, which obviously I discouraged whenever I could. The thing that turned him around though was when he went into hospital for the last time. There was porter who he saw every day, the got to making small talk, then chatted a bit more, then formed a connection, not quite a friendship but still. It was that interaction, connecting on a human level that changed his mind in his last days.

People are so busy listening to the media and what they're supposed to think and be outraged about that people aren't forming those human connections. We're all in this together, we're all just people.

I'll leave you with a quote:

“If you catch 100 red fire ants as well as 100 large black ants, and put them in a jar, at first, nothing will happen. However, if you violently shake the jar and dump them back on the ground the ants will fight until they eventually kill each other. The thing is, the red ants think the black ants are the enemy and vice versa, when in reality, the real enemy is the person who shook the jar. This is exactly what’s happening in society today. Liberal vs. Conservative. Black vs. White. Pro Mask vs. Anti-Mask. Vax vs. Anti-vax. Man vs. woman. Cop vs. citizen. The real question we need to be asking ourselves is who’s shaking the jar… and why?”
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
This latest video of Rogan using the n-word is ridiculous. Context is everything and him just saying it again and again in an edit is lazy.
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The thing is that (these days) in the US, a non-black person saying it in *any* context is deemed to be a huge sin.

There is also the irony that apparently merely hearing a white person saying it is so traumatic but also that people should share/retweet that clip of him saying it multiple times thus perpetuating that supposed trama.

People are acting outraged to it and he's issued some apology/clarification re: context, shouldn't really be necessary but I noticed on his Instagram post a black UFC fighter thanking him, so I guess some people really didn't get that the use of the word was out of context.

A big thing is that some people in the US seem to have forgotten that it was acceptable to say it back then in the context of discussing a topic/news story etc... they're holding clips from 10 years ago to the social standards used today.

Amusingly a similar video has emerged of the hosts of the Young Turks show using the n-word multiple times too, I won't link to it directly as I guess that might break forum rules but here is a screenshot of the clip on twitter:

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Efour said:
Ah well they hooked him now. Caught on the N word, a tried and tested bait.
He wont be on Spotify by the end of the month.
Doesn't matter on context or anything, N word is excommunication from social media when used by a person of lower melanin status.
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I dunno, will the Young Turks hosts be removed from youtube, will Hasan Piker be taken down from his gaming streams... those people have been caught saying the n-word in a similar context too, usually discussing some news story/discussing someone using it in a bad way etc..
 
dowie said:
The thing is that (these days) in the US, a non-black person saying it in *any* context is deemed to be a huge sin.

There is also the irony that apparently merely hearing a white person saying it is so traumatic but also that people should share/retweet that clip of him saying it multiple times thus perpetuating that supposed trama.

People are acting outraged to it and he's issued some apology/clarification re: context, shouldn't really be necessary but I noticed on his Instagram post a black UFC fighter thanking him, so I guess some people really didn't get that the use of the word was out of context.

A big thing is that some people in the US seem to have forgotten that it was acceptable to say it back then in the context of discussing a topic/news story etc... they're holding clips from 10 years ago to the social standards used today.

Amusingly a similar video has emerged of the hosts of the Young Turks show using the n-word multiple times too, I won't link to it directly as I guess that might break forum rules but here is a screenshot of the clip on twitter:
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What I don't get is when I hear certain songs from some streamers on twitch playing songs with a lot of that language, nobody seems to bother. What the hell... How can that be tolerated?
 
dowie said:
I dunno, will the Young Turks hosts be removed from youtube, will Hasan Piker be taken down from his gaming streams... those people have been caught saying the n-word in a similar context too, usually discussing some news story/discussing someone using it in a bad way etc..
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They are on the winning side though! I use the term winning very loosely.
 
V F said:
What I don't get is when I hear certain songs from some streamers on twitch playing songs with a lot of that language, nobody seems to bother. What the hell... How can that be tolerated?
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I listen to on YouTube, a Black American conservative guy, ex cop, Tatum i think his name is, Very god fearing American, very honest and he will call black people that act like thugs or idiots "n words" because it describes the kind of person they are... Its almost like we say Chav. Well i dunno if chav is even a word in the UK no more. But when i think of chav i get a very white council estate boy in my head..... When he calls them an N word it describes a very stereotypical set of behaviour and complete disrespect for society.
 
Pressure does seem to be mounting. It will all depend on money. How many are cancelling their Spotify accounts compared to how many cancel if they do drop him. I think the money says he stays.
 
Efour said:
I listen to on YouTube, a Black American conservative guy, ex cop, Tatum i think his name is, Very god fearing American, very honest and he will call black people that act like thugs or idiots "n words" because it describes the kind of person they are... Its almost like we say Chav. Well i dunno if chav is even a word in the UK no more. But when i think of chav i get a very white council estate boy in my head..... When he calls them an N word it describes a very stereotypical set of behaviour and complete disrespect for society.
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Brandon Tatum, seen some of his stuff.
 
Efour said:
I listen to on YouTube, a Black American conservative guy, ex cop, Tatum i think his name is, Very god fearing American, very honest and he will call black people that act like thugs or idiots "n words" because it describes the kind of person they are... Its almost like we say Chav. Well i dunno if chav is even a word in the UK no more. But when i think of chav i get a very white council estate boy in my head..... When he calls them an N word it describes a very stereotypical set of behaviour and complete disrespect for society.
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I'm pretty sure Chris Rock has covered this. :D

Just youtube Black people vs N....
 
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Colonel_Klinck said:
This latest video of Rogan using the n-word is ridiculous. Context is everything and him just saying it again and again in an edit is lazy.
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Good of you to say and yes context is absolutely everything.

I know of at least of couple of times that he has said the n word. First was quoting Lyndon Johnson on his "I'll have these n words voting democrat for the next 200 years". Another was during a discussion about Kendrick Lamar the rapper when he called up a girl on stage who then sang his own lyrics only to be called out for it.

The fact the someone has gone to the trouble of stiching together all of these out of context quotes just shows how far people will go to smear him. What's worse is that he's apologised for it which firstly won't do anything to appease the mob, and secondly makes him look guilty.

I bet dollars to donuts that every single one of these N bombs within context is fine. What a shame he's caved and there are now over 100 episodes (unrelated to this issue) that have been memory holed. He should have kept his independence.
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DexB97CPHrM&ab_channel=GBNews

This reminded me of another time scientists (especially Chris Whitty) and mainstream media were wrong despite everyone knowing the truth about omicron.

Chris Whitty
"This is a really serious threat at the moment. The how big a threat - there are several things we don't know, but all the things that we do know, are bad,"

This wasn't true and it was well known not to be true. Here was Chris Whiity

I asked Screeech several questions like,
"Who decides what is dangerous, inaccurate and misleading nonsense?"
"How do you decide what are false claims?"
"How do you decide who should be allowed to talk?"
"How do you decide what expert to listen to?"

He couldn't come up with a single sensible answer.

dLockers replied "Its called scientific consensus."

There isn't always a general agreement. Here we had Chris Whitty who is the UK government's Chief Medical Adviser and head of the public health profession, as mainstream as there is giving out misinformation that went against what was known at the time. This isn't with hindsight. It was a stupid thing he said.

Imagine if all our information came from Whitty, Furguson, SAGE etc. A lot of people believed that 6000 deaths a day that SAGE predicted were actually a possibility Luckily we're allowed to hear different opinions and the Tory backbenchers put Boris under pressure (details of his parties helped!) and we didn't go into lockdown. That wouldn't have happened if some of you had your way and silenced scientists who go against our mainstream view.

I guess it also means that Chris Whitty shouldn't be allowed on Rogan.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
I bet dollars to donuts that every single one of these N bombs within context is fine. What a shame he's caved and there are now over 100 episodes (unrelated to this issue) that have been memory holed. He should have kept his independence.
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Hmm I'm not sure I'd go that far. Clearly he doesn't always think before he speaks, the planet of the apes clip clearly shows this. Though I don't agree with just putting a video together of him using that word and using it to pressure spotify.
 
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